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Isaiah 31:1 Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help And rely on horses, And trust in chariots because they are many And in horsemen because they are very strong, But they do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor seek the LORD!
Psalms 49:12 But man in his pomp will not endure; He is like the beasts that perish.
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Barack Hussein Obama & Jeremiah Wright
MORIEL MINISTRIES - Commentary by James Jacob Prasch - Originally Published on March 25, 2008
I write as director of a
Christian Charity for AIDS children and HIV babies in Black Africa operated by
our self-giving missionaries. These are some of the finest people I have ever
met. They are nearly all White, and much of the funding comes from White people
in America; the same people denounced from the pulpit in Barack Obama's church.
The children whose lives these missionaries fight to save are all Black.
Arkansas Senator William
Fulbright was the political mentor of Bill Clinton. Fulbright was a
segregationist. Clinton came from a racist political machine. Democratic
Senator Bird was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the days of Jim Crow.
Now, it is a new political
and social world and consequently a new electoral landscape. Iowa, which had
the first primary caucus, is a state with no Black vote. Iowa is
demographically more than 96% Caucasian. The remaining less than 4% are Native
American, Hispanic, and a very small number of African and Asian Americans.
Yet, Obama won this primary defeating his two fellow Caucasian opponent
candidates, Clinton and Edwards - because more White people voted for him than
for his two White rivals. It would be similar in Vermont, Wyoming and other
nearly 'all white' states. Such White heartland states are the epitome of the
"White America" damned by Jeremiah Wright in Obama's church.
These electoral results
confirm that white racism is no longer a major factor in American politics or
society and every credible study indicates solidly that anti Black sentiment is
higher among Hispanic and Asian Americans than among Euro-Americans.
Indeed, African Americans
are no longer demographically even America's largest minority but now
statistically Hispanics are, and figures indicate that clearly Asian Americans
are the most upwardly mobile economically. This is to say nothing of Black
racism against non Blacks. While so many White Americans have no qualms about
voting for a Black candidate, why do polls show so many Blacks voting squarely
on the basis of skin color? White America has for the most part embraced Martin
Luther King's vision of an America where people should not be judged by skin
color. Black America apparently has a long way to go.
The popularity of Obama
among so many White Democrats (and even some Republicans) plainly shows that
Jeremiah Wright, like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson etc. are living in a world
that does not even exist anymore. Indeed, they must. They carved their niche by
pounding on the drum of Black victimization by a White establishment that they
must continue to pound even though the beat has become politically and
sociologically redundant and their rhetoric obsolete in an America where there
have been two consecutive African American Secretaries of State and an African
American with a Moslem father who in elections can defeat Caucasian rival
candidates in all White states.
For pathetic figures like
Wright and Sharpton, it is their power base they are defending, and not Black
America. Obama's rise proves categorically that America has moved on. Wright,
Sharpton, Jackson and their ilk clearly have not.
As director of a Christian
organization that operates orphanages for Black African AIDS babies and HIV
children, I find Jeremiah Wright's outrageous racially connotated pulpit
declarations of 'God Damn America' and 'America ruled by rich White people' to
reflect his ignorance even more than it does his obvious bigotry. I would
invite him to accompany me to Zimbabwe, Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Liberia, or any
of a dozen other Black African countries ruled by Blacks if he wants to see
real oppression of Blacks. He would be hard pressed to find a Zimbabwean or a
Haitian that would not do anything to live in the America that this ignorant
racist Jeremiah Wright damns in what is suppose to be a church.
Black ruled postcolonial
Africa is the largely self-inflicted genocidal human tragedy of the 21st
century. The Hitleresque atrocities of Idi Amin in Uganda, Mugabe in Zimbabwe
and a half dozen other despotic Black African leaders are of holocaust
proportions and increasing in frequency and intensity. What transpired in the
Huti-Tutsi wars in Rwanda would in proportionate terms eclipse Stalin.
Nevertheless, it is America who stopped the killing in Liberia, and Somalia,
and who is trying to stop it in Sudan that is damned in Obama's church. It is
America who has spent billions feeding hungry Africans when Black African
regimes in Somalia and Sudan used starvation as a weapon against their own
civilian population.
As a Christian, I cannot
view the Trinity church of Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama and his wife as a
church in any biblical sense, but as a mere political organization misusing the
name and trappings of Christianity to set forth a racist political agenda
evident it its giving an award to Louis Farrakhan, a twisted, racist, and anti
Semitic figure who actually claims to have flown in flying saucers.
A man aspiring to the
presidency of America being a member of a church where the pulpit is a
political platform to damn America is frankly sickening.
Indeed, a member of such an
evil, racist, and anti American organization who has been a member of that
institution for 20 years is unfit to lead our country. Even Senator Obama's
wife states that she has never before been proud to be an American. It is my
testimony that America has been at the forefront of fighting African AIDS,
while the ANC government of South Africa (brought to power by Nelson Mandela
and Desmond Tutu), as a political decision denied AIDS is a retro viral infection
and called it a mere social disease despite every microbiologist in the world
saying the opposite. I am proud of an America that fights to save the lives of
Black children that the tribilist policies of their own corrupt Black
governments are in effect killing on a grand scale.
As a Christians and as an
American, I regarded the now thankfully nearly defunct Ku Klux Klan as an anti
American, racist organization. If a 'Jim Crow' Democrat wanting to be president
was a member of the Klan and said he disagrees with the Klan but likes its
leader personally so he will not resign from the Klan - such a man in my view
would be unfit for public office. For the same reason, Barack Obama is likewise
totally unfit for public office.
Now we have the new minister
of this 'church' calling the media and public reaction to this racism and anti-
Americanism "a lynching", and
comparing the reaction to the opposition of Jeremiah Wright damning America to
the crucifixion of Jesus.
During the era of Jim Crow,
it was the racists who did the lynching; now the racist is Jeremiah Wright and
Louis Farrakhan whom his 'church' honored. If one was to place a sheet over the
head of Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan so their skin color would not be
visible, they could easily join the Klan and fit right in with the rest of the
racists.
My concern is that this
wickedness is being promulgated in the name of Christianity. Where did Jesus
ever teach racism? Jesus wept over His nation in Matthew 23, but where did He
damn it?
It is not his lack of
experience that mainly troubles me about Barack Obama; it is rather his lack of
integrity. If Barack Obama had the courage of his convictions, he would have
resigned from such a so-called 'church' 20 years ago. But as it is, he is no more
fit to be president than a member of the Klan (which also made the bogus claim
of being a "Christian" organization).
Do not tell me that you
disagree with something and be part of it for 20 years. When one's actions do
not match their words as in the case of Barack Obama, that makes him a
political hypocrite. When a bigot like Jeremiah Wright practices his bigotry in
the name of Christianity, that makes him a religious hypocrite.
I thought Obama was supposed
to represent change. We have seen the hypocrisy of the religious right under
Bush.
Claiming to be Christian
Bush put a Koran, a book teaching that God has no Son, in The White House and
celebrates Ramadan to honor Islam after September 11th, turning his back on the
persecuted Christians in Saudi Arabia for the sake of the oil lobby. Putting a
Koran in the White House after September 11th is like Churchill putting a copy
of 'Mein Kampf' in Number 10 Downing Street during the Blitz and handing out
visas to Saudi Arabians after September 11th would in my estimation is like
Roosevelt handing out visas to kamikaze pilots after Pearl Harbor.
Bush and Rice allow the
Saudis to build fundamentalist Wahhabist mosques (Wahhabism decrees death under
Sharia for any Moslem becoming a Christian), but a church cannot be built in
Saudi Arabia. Bush places a Koran in The White House, while a bible cannot be
brought into Saudi Arabia.
Bill Clinton is likewise a
mega million-dollar salaried adviser to the Emir of Dubai, with the Clinton and
Carter libraries and centers both likewise funded by Moslem oil money.
Irrespective of which party
is elected, in Washington it is always business as usual. America indeed needs
and wants change. However, does Obama actually constitute "change"?
We have had no end to
religious and political hypocrisy under Bush and The Republicans and Obama
claims to represent "change". But I must ask, what
"change"?
Reagan, the darling of the
religious right was so pro-life that he appointed a pro abortion Sandra Day
O'Connor as the Supreme Court Justice who wrote the decision ordering the 10
Commandments out of the state Judicial building in Alabama. As his wife Nancy
went to fortune tellers to get advice for him how to run the country while the
national deficit quadrupled and his corrupt administration sold weapons to
Ayatollah Khomeini's anti American/ anti Israel - Iranian terror, Reagan told
naive Christians he was pro life, manipulating them to vote for him, but once
in office he did the opposite. Reagan with his Republican religious right was
demonstrably just another hypocrite who lied, saying one thing but doing
another.
An Eisenhower Republican
Earl Warren Supreme Court ordered God out of the classroom. It was a Nixon
Republican Warren Burger Supreme Court that ruled on Roe v Wade and ordered God
out of the maternity ward. It was Reagan's Republican Supreme Court appointee
Sandra Day O'Connor who ordered God out of the judiciary and out of the
courtroom.
Obama and Clinton say they
are pro abortion, but the record proves Republicans lie about it and say they
are not. This is the legacy of the religious right. Of course, things have
improved within the religious right. Despite Rudolph Giuliani being openly pro
abortion and pro homosexual & lesbian agenda, the religious right leader Pat
Robertson endorsed him for president. While Republicans still kill the unborn,
at least they no longer hypocritically lie about it. At last, they just admit
it like Clinton and Obama.
However, Obama is supposed
to be the candidate of change who does not subscribe to traditional Washington
hypocrisy.
After the hypocrisy of the
religious right with Bush and Reagan, we now see the hypocrisy of the religious
left with Obama. Those supporting Obama only want to exchange the hypocrisy of
the religious right for the co-equally immoral and insidious hypocrisy of the
religious left.
Changing one hypocrite for
another does not represent change. It simply means absolutely no real change at
all.
Nations get the governments
they deserve. We have a spiritually and morally bankrupt nation, so we likewise
get spiritually and morally abject leaders. Unless a nation's church changes,
its leaders never will. As long as it has
Pat Robertson's and Jeremiah
Wrights in its pulpits, it will only have treacherous scoundrels in its Oval
Office.
I will pray and urge others
to pray for whoever is elected. But I sanction no political candidate. Although
I cannot biblically fathom how any Christian could support a pro-abortion
candidate, I simply urge people to pray and vote their conscience. There is no
New Testament basis to use the church for electoral purposes to endorse any
politician or political party. But it is called to oppose evil.
The church is called by
Jesus to be salt & light. As a nation, America so desperately does need
change. But unless the church changes, a change is just not coming.
Meanwhile, I look ahead with
glee for when the real change comes. It does not take a great deal of vision or
foresight to see a time on the horizon when we will no longer have an electoral
choice looking for a lesser of two evils, when in actual fact a lesser of evils
is an evil no less.
When Christ returns thank
God we will no longer have any politicians; as Isaiah wrote:
"The Government Will Be
On His Shoulders" (Isaiah 9:6)
JJ Prasch Moriel
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| Bankrupt approach to judgement day |
ASIA TIMES ONLINE (Hong Kong) - By Julian Delasantellis - April 9, 2008In the Old Testament's Book of Judges, Chapter 2, it is described how the Lord raised up judges - rulers - for the Israelites' benefit, and woe betide the people when the judges were disobeyed. Nevertheless the Lord raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them. And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the Lord; but they did not so. You might think that with the current political situation in the United States, if there was one group that would be faithful to carry out biblical injunctions down to the last jot and tittle, it would be the right-wing ideologues of the Republican Party, especially since for 30 years now they have very successfully used the Bible as a sturdy truncheon to beat their opposition. Lately, that appears not to be true. The political right has rebelled against the judges, and in much more important ways than just objecting to the legal rulings from the bench that have allowed abortion, or decriminalized homosexuality. Just as the Hebrews served the false gods of Baal and Ashtaroth, right-wing Republicans are once again proving their undying allegiance to the false gods of Lucre and Moolah. No golden calf or other graven image is necessary for them to prove their devotion to these deities; the gold in their washroom fixtures accomplishes this just as nicely. It was last week, when, early in the morning, I turned on my television to catch the NBC network morning happy talk chat show Today, expecting to see what natural disaster, a tornado in the breadbasket or a visit by the ex-Mrs Heather Mills McCarthy, had befallen America during the night. Instead, I was amazed - actual news on an American network news show! - - - What was being referred to was the real crisis stalking American society, that anybody with a 10th-grade education, who wouldn't necessarily know an adjustable rate mortgage from an adjustable socket wrench, could no longer make 20% or more of yearly capital appreciation from their primary, or, for that matter, their second, third, fourth or fifth homes. It's far from easy to drive Americans' attention away from celebrity gossip, new diet books or marriage advice, but if there was one way to do it, Today's news editors probably thought this was it. 'For Sale' nightmareAccompanying that morning's news reports of the legislative initiatives were the traditional file video clips of unoccupied suburban three-bedroom, well-gilded colonials with "For Sale" signs in front of them. (This image, more than that of the planes slamming into the World Trade Center on September 11, represents America's new national nightmare - it's the vision that comes to the middle class in the depths of the night, in John Malklovich's words in In the Line of Fire, "when the demons come") - not actual details on what the bills really contained. I resolved to do some research to see just what all the shouting was about. When I did, I discovered that this initiative, like all other previous policy attempts to assist those trapped in their subprime mortgages, indeed, like most of what passes for public policy and debate in America these days, was following a familiar pattern. Debate on public policy in America continues to be governed by this iron rule - it's a whole lot more important to look good than to do good. Like most products of the American legislature these days, the bill currently winding its way through Senate (the House of Representatives will take it up when the Senate finishes it, probably late in the week) accomplishes no single great goal, certainly no significant change in the vast majority of Americans' lives - the thinking apparently being, well, if Grigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin's villages could fool the Russian Empress Catherine into thinking he was actually doing something, doing likewise with the American people through highly publicized legislation should be a piece of cake. There's a provision for a US$7,000 tax credit for those who buy new or foreclosed properties - c'mon you All-American house flippers and property speculators, get back in the game! Local communities and community-based organizations have $4 billion set aside for them to buy up foreclosed properties lingering on the market, driving down prices and blighting neighborhoods. Just what these organizations will do with these properties is an open question; also, since in 2006 the Census Bureau estimated the total value of US residential real estate at $20 trillion, wouldn't $4 billion thus qualify as the quintessential drop in the proverbial bucket? The bill's most interesting provision calls for $6 billion in new tax breaks for businesses hurt in the current downturn. (No, no, you can't call it a recession, not yet, not until, according to the arcane rules of this tradition, the private sector National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, officially calls it next year). The most obvious businesses getting slammed in the current environment are the homebuilders; from its high in the summer of 2005 to early this January, the stock of industry leader Toll Brothers was down by just under 75%. But it is a common economic canard that subsidizing something produces more of it. Homebuilders, of course, build homes, a subsidy to them means more new homes. More new homes? In a market drowning in the unsold inventory already existent? It is this continually growing unsold supply that is pressuring prices now, wiping out house values, and so thus preventing the subprime borrowers refinancing what could be the only thing that might save them from eventual default and foreclosure. That, of course, is the origin of the howling vortex that much of the world's financial system has fallen into, as declining values for bonds based on defaulted subprime mortgages is causing a pullback of lending and liquidity across the entire capitalist finance system. In essence, subsidizing home construction to counter a downturn in home prices is like subsidizing purchases of Twinkies and doughnuts to fight obesity. It is indicative of just how much power and influence the homebuilding industry, and, by extension, the entire American concept of home ownership as a sacred, ecumenical dogma that unites Americans of all creeds, colors and races, that serious Senators are actually pushing this goofy proposal. In Hollywood they say you can never be too rich or too thin, but if you are too rich you become Paris Hilton, and too thin makes you Karen Carpenter. In Washington DC, they apparently say you can never build too many homes, even if in doing so you get the subprime crisis. My favorite part of the Senate bill is the provision of an extra $100 million of government funding for what is called "mortgage counselors." Explain away the painI think this means that people will be employed to tell borrowers that they have to pay their mortgages back on time, but what if it's not? What if, much as the name implies, it's just another manifestation of what is called the therapeutic society, the current ethos that defines American virtue not by how much good one does, but by how much pain one feels? If so, a session with the "mortgage counselor" my go something like this. Soon to be ex-homeowner: "Mortgage counselor, I'm depressed." Mortgage counselor: " Why? Tell me how you feel. Don't hold anything back." STBE-H: "Well, in a month, my family and I will be homeless." MC: "Yes, and what does that mean to you? STBE-H: "We'll be spending our days and nights on the streets!" MC: "Are you afraid of the streets? Did you fall and skin your knee on a street as a child?" STBE-H: "Me and my kids will be sleeping in a cardboard box!" MC: Do you have unaddressed issues as regards to cardboard boxes? When you were young were you abused by one?" - - - - Read Full Report |
| Hillary: I've felt 'presence' of Holy Spirit |
Senator believes in resurrection, not sure Jesus only way WORLDNETDAILY - March 6, 2008
Sen. Hillary Clinton has "felt the presence of the Holy Spirit" in her life and believes in the historical resurrection of Jesus Christ, but she is ambivalent about the necessity of belief in Christ for salvation, according to segments of a New York Times interview that either went unused or received little attention at the time of publishing.
Christian Broadcasting Network reporter David Brody unearthed the quotes, which came from New York Times reporter Michael Luo's interview with the senator in July.
Clinton declared: "I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth."
Luo then asked, "Can I ask you theologically, do you believe that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, that it actually historically did happen?"
Clinton replied, "Yes, I do." - - -
Clinton, raised in the United Methodist Church in suburban Chicago, has spoken of her faith on the campaign trail, including in a speech to an AIDS conference at Rick Warren's evangelical Saddleback Church in Southern California in November.
"My own faith journey is approaching a half century, and I know how far I have to go," she told an estimated 1,700 in attendance. "But I have been blessed in my life, starting with my family, and in the church of my childhood, to be guided every step of the way."
The senator pointed to a number of significant influences on her faith: "A mother who taught Sunday School and a mother who made sure that my brothers and I were there the moment the church doors opened; a father who kneeled by the side of his bed every night of his life to say his prayers; a minister of our youth fellowship who took it as part of his mission to show this group of white, suburban, middle class kids that there was a bigger world outside; a prayer group that formed for me shortly after I came to the White House, a group of extraordinary women, both Democrats and Republicans, whose love and support sustained me."
Clinton told the Orange County church conference she's often asked if she's a "praying person."
"I've always responded that I was fortunate enough to be raised to understand the power and purpose of prayer," she said.
"But had I not been," the senator quipped, "probably one week in the White House would have turned me into one."
"It's wonderful to know that the sustaining power of prayer is there for so many of us," she said.
Clinton said in the November speech one of her favorite passages of the Bible is the book of James' admonition that "faith without works is dead."
"But I have concluded that works without faith is just too hard," she said. "It cannot be sustained over one's life or the generations. And it's important for us to recognize how, here in what you are doing, faith and works comes together."
At the November meeting, Burns Strider, Clinton's senior adviser and national director of faith-based outreach, told WND he's convinced the senator's faith is genuine.
"What I find and know about the senator is very real and very honest," he said. "You know, there's a life of works and deeds. --- There's an amazing connection there between what Senator Clinton believes and the way she carries it out. I do find it authentic."
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| Hillary: "Holy Spirit" -- 2nd News Report |
CBN NEWS - The Brody File by David Brody - March 6, 2008 In July of last year, Hillary Clinton gave an interview to New York Times reporter Michael Luo about her faith. It's a fairly in depth interview.
Well, for your listening pleasure, The Brody File found the actual audio from the interview and it's really interesting. Reading the transcription of the interview is one thing, but hearing Hillary Clinton talk about her faith is very different. Listen here. You can read the transcription here.
At the time, the article got significant play but some of the quotes from the whole interview never got used in the article. Here are some key quotes that I thought you might be interested to look at:
Hillary Clinton: I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth.
Reporter: Can I ask you theologically, do you believe that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, that it actually historically did happen?
Senator Clinton: Yes, I do.
Reporter: And, do you believe on the salvation issue -- and this is controversial too -- that belief in Christ is needed for going to heaven?
Senator Clinton: That one I'm a little more open to. I think that it is, as we understand our relationship to God as Christians, it is how we see our way forward, and it is the way. But, ever since I was a little girl, I've asked every Sunday school teacher I've ever had, I asked every theologian I've ever talked with, whether that meant that there was no salvation, there was no heaven for people who did not accept Christ. And, you're well aware that there are a lot of answers to that. There are people who are totally rooted in the fact that, no, that's why there are missionaries, that's why you have to try to convert. And, then there are a lot of other people who are deeply faithful and deeply Christ-centered who say, that's how we understand it and who are we to read God's mind about such a weighty decision as that.
Reporter: And your attitude toward the Bible about how literally people should take it.
Senator Clinton: I think the whole Bible is real. The whole Bible gives you a glimpse of God and God's desire for a personal relationship, but we can't possibly understand every way God is communicating with us. I've always felt that people who try to shoehorn in their cultural and social understandings of the time into the Bible might be actually missing the larger point that we're supposed to take from the Bible.
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| New York Times Faith Interview With Senator Hillary Clinton |
Transcript of Interview With Senator Clinton NEW YORK TIMES [NYTimes Group/Sulzberger] - July 6, 2007 The following is a transcript of an interview last month Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. A few of the questions have been edited for brevity and clarity, and extraneous material omitted.
Q: I hear a lot about John Wesley and your Methodism, and the social activism side of Methodism and how that informs you. But John Wesley talked about how one's personal faith informs that social action, and it's that more personal stuff that it's hard to get a sense of talking to other people because faith is so personal. So, I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about that more personal side of your faith - what does it look like today in terms of spiritual habits? Do you read the Bible regularly, do you pray?
Senator Clinton: Well, I think it looks like it's looked for most of my life. I have always had a deep personal faith that was rooted in the Methodist church in large measure because I was christened into it, I grew up in it. But, it also very much reflected how I thought about faith as I matured. You know, if you look at the Methodist book of discipline it talks about the four contributing streams of faith -- scripture, tradition, experience and reason. I always resonated to the fact that it was both revelatory and scripture-based but that you were invited to use your power of reason to think through your faith and to work through what it meant to you and how you would live it in your daily life.
And so the method of Methodism was very reflective of my temperament and my predilection to look at things from a faith-based center but recognizing that I didn't have a corner on faith, that I had to be open to experience and that I had to believe with both my head and my heart if it was going to sustain me over time. I remember reading years ago that Thomas Aquinas said that revelation was eminently rational and that's the kind of confirmation of my faith experience that I found very supportive over the years.
Q: But, do you believe in this personal relationship with God that some people talk about?
Senator Clinton: Absolutely.
Q: What does that look like for you, and how do you feed that personal relationship with God? Some people talk about prayer, talking to God. Some talk about reading the Bible and experiencing God that way. What does that look like for you?
Senator Clinton: It has looked like the connection that I felt like I made as a child but just kept growing and was always present in my life. I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth. I pray, I read the Bible, I read commentary on scriptures, I read other people's faith journeys. That is, for me, at the real core of how I keep feeding my faith. And, I was lucky because, as I said at the faith and politics event, I was taught to pray and I inculcate it as a habit in my daily life.
Q: I read an interview that you gave in '92 to the United Methodist News Service. You mentioned in there that you carried a little Bible with you -- new testament, psalms, proverbs -- on the trail in '92. I wondered, do you still have that? Are you carrying that with you, do you really carry that with you on the trail today?
Senator Clinton: I do. It's not the same version. But I still carry it.
Q: And, it's this little thing that's in your purse?
Senator Clinton: Yeah, it's in one of my bags.
Q: Is there a favorite book that you return to in the Bible?
Senator Clinton: It depends upon what's going on in my life. It depends upon the challenges and questions that I'm coping with. Psalms is always a favorite. It's both comforting and challenging. There are lots of aspects of Isaiah that I find very intriguing and provocative. I have a lot of verses sort of scattered through the Old Testament but I spend most of my time in the New Testament. For me it isn't like there's one place I go all the time because my experience changes all the time. I spent a lot of time when I was growing up trying to, for me, work out the balance between personal salvation and the social gospel. And, I gave a speech or said something at one time about how I thought that in the Methodist church a lot of the churches had drifted too far on the social gospel side which is very understandable because there were a lot of serious issues certainly that were facing me when I was growing up on race relations and on the Vietnam war and so much else. But, you have to keep in balance the feeding of your spirit and your soul and the need to be nurturing your personal faith while you try to have the energy and the support to go out into the world. There's that great line in James about how faith without works is dead, but works without faith is too hard. And, that's kind of how I see the necessary blending of what I want out of faith. For some people a personal relationship with God, a sense that you're saved, a real belief in your salvation is incredibly both moving and comforting.
Q: And, I'm just going to ask, is that in terms of the salvation side, as opposed to the works side, is that something that animates you? Is that something that you think about in a day-to-day way in terms of your own faith?
Senator Clinton: It's like the background music. It's there all the time. It's not something you have to think about, you believe it. You have a faith center out of which the rest flows. But, for me, evidencing that and feeling called or pushed to act in the world would not have been possible to sustain without that sense of faith and the personal relationship that I have.
Q: Can I ask you theologically, do you believe that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, that it actually historically did happen?
Senator Clinton: Yes, I do.
Q: And, do you believe on the salvation issue -- and this is controversial too -- that belief in Christ is needed for going to heaven?
Senator Clinton: That one I'm a little more open to. I think that it is, as we understand our relationship to God as Christians, it is how we see our way forward, and it is the way. But, ever since I was a little girl, I've asked every Sunday school teacher I've ever had, I asked every theologian I've ever talked with, whether that meant that there was no salvation, there was no heaven for people who did not accept Christ. And, you're well aware that there are a lot of answers to that. There are people who are totally rooted in the fact that, no, that's why there are missionaries, that's why you have to try to convert. And, then there are a lot of other people who are deeply faithful and deeply Christ-centered who say, that's how we understand it and who are we to read God's mind about such a weighty decision as that.
Q: And your attitude toward the Bible about how literally people should take it...
Senator Clinton: I think the whole Bible is real. The whole Bible gives you a glimpse of God and God's desire for a personal relationship, but we can't possibly understand every way God is communicating with us. I've always felt that people who try to shoehorn in their cultural and social understandings of the time into the Bible might be actually missing the larger point that we're supposed to take from the Bible.
Q: Being a moral person -- what does that mean to you personally day to day as you live your life?
Senator Clinton: It means to try to be that. It means to look for guidance, to seek wisdom, to ask for forgiveness, to pick myself up and start over again when I have fallen short. It means all of that.
Q: Since you joined the Senate and moved to New York finding a spiritual home in New York, a regular church has been something that has been difficult. Has that impacted your faith in any way?
Senator Clinton: No, no. Because of my job now, I go in and out of so many churches and I have so many opportunities to be part of other people's faith experiences and I really have cherished that. I've developed some very close relationships and friendships with people, particularly in New York, and now that I'm running for president I try to, where I can, go to church somewhere else. I was stunned when I went to church in Davenport some months ago, and it was such a really lively multimedia, music-driven service, which you don't often find in a Methodist church. I'm interested in the liturgy, I'm interested in the message, I've always been just fascinated by how people convey their faith and how they try to live their faith. I actually feel like it's a blessing that I get to be exposed to all of this.
Q: But, your whole life you've had a regular church home, so it must be unusual that you don't have a regular one now.
Senator Clinton: I don't feel that way. I kept my membership at First Methodist in Little Rock when we moved to Washington, and I still have kept it there. I was back there last summer and it felt like going home. That was a very important church to me when I was in Little Rock.
Q: At the Sojourners event, in response to a question about how your faith had helped you deal with some of the ordeals of '98 -- I wanted to follow up a little bit on that. Was it that your faith had influenced your decision to stay in your marriage?
Senator Clinton: I think I've said all I'm going to say about that. I think that I've said all I'm going to say. Obviously my faith was crucial to the challenges that I faced, and I'm very grateful for that.
Q: Were there people during that time that you turned to in terms of spiritual support.
Senator Clinton: There were many people, both people who I had known a long time and people who I had not known, but came seeking me out and offered their personal support. I got a lot of recommendations about scripture verses to read and about other spiritual readings. I've written about this and talked about it a lot, but the parable of the prodigal son as conveyed by Henri Nouwen, made a huge impact on me. The discipline of gratitude was -- you just read along sometimes looking for sustenance and support and something jumps out at you and it just really resonated with my beliefs and my sense of what we are called to do. Forgiveness and gratitude are features that I associate with Christ. That to me is part of how one lives as best one can following the example of Christ.
Q: This women's group that you've talked about in the past - they prayed for you, you met with them a few times. I don't know that much about the group, like how often you guys met, was it really like these small groups that they have in churches in terms of that level of interaction? I also understand that you were a little apprehensive about meeting with them initially and I wondered if you could talk to me about why that was and how that was overcome.
Senator Clinton: As I recall, I was invited to meet with them by a good friend of mine, Linda Lader. I had met a few of the women, but I didn't know most of the women, and I also was asked to visit with them by Doug Coe, who was and still is, the director of the National Prayer Breakfast and the National Prayer outreach and it was over at their headquarters in Virginia which is kind of a retreat center. And, they invited Tipper and I to come to lunch and I really did it mostly for Linda and Doug who asked me to.
Q: Because you were a little bit wary?
Senator Clinton: Well, you know, I didn't know. I had friends who prayed for me, I prayed for myself, I prayed for other people, I felt like I was sustained by prayer. Since Bill had decided to run for president I had countless people saying they were praying for us and then once he became president there was a real outpouring of people. But I went, and I'm really glad I did.
It was a wonderful group of women in a bipartisan gathering who really thought that the mean-spiritedness and the negativity that had come to mark so much of our political life was very much counter to their beliefs and so they wanted to lift up Tipper and me and did so at this lunch. And, then they wanted to continue to pray for me. So I met with them periodically, I wouldn't say regularly, but when our schedules could work out I had them to the White House. Holly Leachman became sort of the real contact person for me in the group and became a friend. It was fascinating because a lot of them were deeply involved in the national prayer group, and I was very touched by their desire to choose me to pray for. And it was a way for me to let go and let them do it and for them to reach out and do it. What was fascinating is that over time a lot of the people who had been part of the most critical and negative attacks on me began to seek me out. The first person who did that was David Kuo. Doug Coe had asked me to come to speak to a dinner that was held the night before the prayer breakfast and most of the people in there were people who were very unsure of how I was or what I stood for but Doug was always very supportive of me. He had me speak at one of the national prayer lunches, he arranged for me to meet Mother Theresa after one of the national prayer breakfasts. And, David came up and asked for my forgiveness, and several other people have done the same.
Q: Was that difficult?
Senator Clinton: It was surprising when it first happened, but it was very moving to me. I was sort of startled because it was in a public place. I was shaking hands and he gave me a long history about who he had worked for and what he had done to attack me and impugn my motives and my character and everything, and I said, of course I forgive you. When I got to the Senate, Sam Brownback sought me out. I wouldn't have talked about it except that he talked about it, and it was very touching to me. He actually came to see me and said now that we actually know each other, because we had never met before, he said, I really came to ask for your forgiveness. I think that a prayer network often can move us to do things that we might not otherwise do.
Q: In terms of forgiveness for you, is there, for lack of a better word, a simplicity to forgiveness...
Senator Clinton: Oh, no. Oh my gosh. Are you kidding? It's the hardest thing in the world.
... I've had a lot of time to think about it over the years. It is both hard to forgive and to ask for forgiveness. There's a reason that it is talked about in the Bible. It is really hard. It is hard for people to let go of legitimate hurts and slights and disappointments. It is human nature to look for people to put that onto, to blame. You look around the world today and you think, the whole idea of the new covenant was really a new relationship with God, a sense that we could be forgiven, that we could seek both personally and through our relationships with others that gift of forgiveness. It's instrumental. It's instrumental in life, it's instrumental in how you think about yourself. I used to teach a Sunday school lesson about how you had to forgive yourself. We all have things that often times we're upset about, or ashamed of, or feel guilty over, and so many people carry these enormous burdens around. And, I think that one of the great gifts of faith is to let it go. It doesn't mean that you forget, you don't have to make amends, but you begin to forgive yourself and you then can begin to forgive others.
Q: The thing that we started talking about in the beginning was how Republicans seem to have the corner store on faith for a long time. It seemed like when you gave that politics and meaning speech back in the day that you got a hard time for it. Is it something that you resented that Democrats don't have credibility when they talk about their faith?
Senator Clinton: I was bewildered by it, that it was somehow illegitimate to talk about faith as a Democrat. I found that just so bizarre that we were being, I think, written out of the whole faith experience. So much of the faith journey in this country are people who have put their faith into action on behalf of others - people who fought for abolition, people who fought for women's suffrage, people who stood up on behalf of the concepts of justice and so much more. So, I was surprised.
Q: Has that changed now?
Senator Clinton: I think it's changing. There was an assumption in the political press and beyond that skepticism about faith was probably the order of the day, which I totally get. As I said at CNN, I've always been skeptical of people who are wearing their faith on their sleeves. I think that it's a good kind of skepticism to have, but we went too far the other way where it was somehow illegitimate to express your faith in the public square. So, many of us, and you know, Burns has been part of this and others of us in our own ways, we've been trying to search for the common ground where we can have these discussions without falling into the trap that is too easily tempting, that we are somehow judging based on our personal experience instead of trying to offer a perspective to move forward together.
Q: On that question, you haven't talked about it much yourself. I wondered if maybe you felt a recoil from a decade ago when people gave you a hard time on that. Do you think that maybe you should have been talking more about that, and Democrats themselves -- Pat covered John Kerry and it was very difficult, very rare to see him talk about his faith.
Senator Clinton: I don't mean this to be critical of the press exactly, but the story is easier if you say that there's a certain religious agenda that is promoted by a political party and people who have allegiance to that political party and if you try to have a more complicated and nuanced discussion of faith, that's not so easy to communicate and it's not as easily accepted. My faith has always been primarily personal. It is how I live my life and who I am, and I have tried through my works to demonstrate a level of commitment and compassion that flow from my faith. But, I wasn't raised to or believed it was necessary to label it the way that so many people have over the last, say, 15 years.
Q: A lot of people have tried to explain you, and some people have used Methodism as the grand link to explain you and your commitments and your personality. Do you think that's valid?
Senator Clinton: I think it certainly is a part of who I am. I do not believe in any single gauged definition of any of us. I think we are much more complicated beings than that. But it has certainly been a huge part of who I am and how I have seen the world, and what I believe in, and what I have tried to do in my life. So, it is certainly a part of who I am and any explanation.
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Obama ties same-sex issues to Jesus' Sermon on Mount
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Democrat maintains famous speech by Christ 'more central than obscure passage in Romans'WORLDNETDAILY - March 3, 2008With voting just hours away in "Super Tuesday II," some remarks by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama linking same-sex relationships to Jesus' famous Sermon on the Mount are raising some eyebrows in the Christian community. During a Sunday campaign stop in Nelsonville, Ohio, Pastor Leon Forte of Grace Christian Center in Athens, Ohio, asked the Illinois senator to address social concerns. "Your campaign sets a quandary for most evangelical Christians," Forte said. "They believe in the social agenda that you have. They have a problem with what the conservatives have laid out as the moral litmus test about who is worthy and who is not." As part of a lengthy videotaped response, Obama referred to the speech by Jesus found in the Gospel of Matthew, as well as some anti-homosexuality statements made by the apostle Paul which he called "obscure": I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them. So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view. But we can have a respectful disagreement on that.
The Sermon on the Mount includes a list of people blessed by God, and a statement by Jesus to follow God's instructions: "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19) The "obscure passage in Romans" Obama referred to reads: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet (fitting)." (Romans 1:26-27) - - - -
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| Obama church published Hamas terror manifesto |
Compares charter calling for murder of Jews to Declaration of Independence WORLDNETDAILY - By Aaron Klein - March 20, 2008 JERUSALEM - Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence.
The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week. - - -
The revelation follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed "concern" about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
In his July 22, 2007, church newsletter, Wright reprinted an article by Mousa Abu Marzook, identified in the publication as a "deputy of the political bureau of Hamas." A photo image of the piece was captured and posted today by the business blog BizzyBlog, which first brought attention to it. The Hamas article was first published by the Los Angeles Times, garnering the newspaper much criticism.
According to senior Israeli security officials, Marzook, who resides in Syria alongside Hamas chieftain Khaled Meshaal, is considered the "brains" behind Hamas, designing much of the terror group's policies and ideology. Israel possesses what it says is a large volume of specific evidence that Marzook has been directly involved in calling for or planning scores of Hamas terrorist offensives, including deadly suicide bombings. He was also accused of attempting to set up a Hamas network in the U.S.
Marzook's original piece was titled, "Hamas' stand" but was re-titled "A Fresh View of the Palestinian Struggle" by Obama's church newsletter. The newsletter also referred to Hamas as the "Islamic Resistance Movement," and added in its introduction that Marzook was addressing Hamas' goals for "all of Palestine."
In the manifesto, Marzook refers to Hamas' "resistance" - the group's perpetuation of anti-Israel terrorism targeting civilians - as "legal resistance," which, he argues, is "explicitly supported by the Fourth Geneva Convention."
The Convention, which refers to the rights of people living under occupation, does not support suicide bombings or rocket attacks against civilian population centers, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America noted.
Marzook refers to Hamas' official charter as "an essentially revolutionary document" and compares the violent creed to the Declaration of Independence, which, Marzook states, "simply did not countenance any such status for the 700,000 African slaves at that time."
Hamas' charter calls for the murder of Jews. Among its platforms is a statement that the "[resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!'"
In his piece, Marzook says Hamas only targets Israel and denies that Hamas' war is meant to be waged against the U.S., even though Hamas officials have threatened America, and Hamas' charter calls for Muslims to "pursue the cause of the Movement (Hamas), all over the globe."
Trinity Church did not respond to a phone message requesting comment.
Obama's campaign also did not reply to phone and e-mail requests today for comment. - - - -
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| Obama 'money man' bailed out by 'Israel apartheid' activist |
Claimed in church newsletter Jews building 'ethnic bomb' that 'kills blacks, Arabs' WORLDNETDAILY - By Aaron Klein - April 28, 2008 JERUSALEM - Indicted Illinois businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a key fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama, was bailed from jail last week in part with surety posted by a pro-Palestinian activist who penned an open letter in Obama's church newsletter that labeled Israel an "apartheid" regime and claimed the Jewish state worked on an "ethnic bomb" that kills "blacks and Arabs." The open letter by Ali Baghdadi, who served as a Middle East advisor to the Nation of Islam, landed Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in hot water last month amid multiple other reports of controversial pieces published on the official "Pastor's Page" reserved for Obama spiritual adviser Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. Baghdadi was listed among about 30 family members and friends of Rezko who reportedly put up cash or offered properties as surety to secure Rezko's $8.5 million bail. Baghdadi offered the court a two-story retail property in Chicago. Baghdadi also appeared at the Chicago federal court on April 18 to state he would be willing to post his home as collateral toward Rezko's bond. Baghdadi was quoted telling the court he had known Rezko for 20 years through their work with Arab charities.
The move may evince closer links between Baghdadi and Obama's earlier fundraising circles in which Rezko reportedly played a major role. Last month, WND reported Obama's church newsletter published Baghdadi's piece, titled, "An open letter to Oprah," referring to talk show giant Oprah Winfrey, who last year accepted an invitation to visit Israel offered to her by Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel. Winfrey had been a member of Obama's church but reportedly departed in 1986. "I must tell you that Israel was the closest ally to the white supremacists of South Africa," wrote Baghdadi. "In fact, South Africa allowed Israel to test its nuclear weapons in the ocean off South Africa. The Israelis were given a blank check: they could test whenever they desired and did not even have to ask permission. Both worked on an ethnic bomb that kills Blacks and Arabs." The June 10, 2007, newsletter, which is still available at Obama's church's website, identifies Baghdadi as an Arab-American activist, writer and columnist who "acted as a Middle East advisor to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, the founder of the Nation of Islam, as well as Minister Louis Farrakhan." Bagdadi's letter stated Palestinians face "genocide and ethnic cleansing ... every hour of the day."
"For many centuries, Jews escaped the discrimination and death they were subjected to in Europe, and found safety and refuge among us," writes Baghdadi.
Baghdadi's letter originally was printed in the Palestine Times, a pro-Palestinian newspaper published in London. It was first noticed in the Obama church newsletter by the Sweetness & Light blog.
RezkoWatch, a blog dedicated to following the links between Rezko and Obama, asked, "Who would have guessed that the same Ali M. Baghdadi who wrote the vile letter published by Obama's anti-American, hate-spouting pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, would turn out to be a good friend to Tony Rezko, currently on trial in federal court for corruption?
"Who would have guessed that the same Palestinian-American Ali M. Baghdadi, who accompanied Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to Mali in 1997, and served as his Middle East advisor, was only one-degree of separation from Sen. Obama?"
Rezko is on trial in federal court on charges arising from a multimillion-dollar hospital contract scandal. Scores of media reports describe Rezko as an Obama friend and a key campaign fundraiser and networker for the presidential candidate. - - - -
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What is Black Liberation Theology?
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OLIVE TREE MINISTRIES - Understanding The Times Weekly eUpdate - By Jan Markell - April 2, 2008 For the last several weeks the news has been replete with stories about Barack Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. You would have to see the news clips to grasp the extremity of his views and intensity of his words. While America is not perfect, to see her cursed in a church pulpit has been troubling, disheartening, and even sickening.
Barack Obama sat under this for 22 years and he wants to have the most powerful position in the entire world: President of the United States. But he didn't get gospel preaching under Wright -- he got instruction that revolves around a belief system called Black Liberation Theology. So what is that?
The most prominent leader of Black Liberation Theology is Rev. James Cone whose 1969 book Black Liberation and Black Power was hugely influential in disseminating the beliefs of this movement. Those who have examined it suggest that the belief system of Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ mirrors those of Cone: Jesus is black, Marxism can aid in a true understanding of the gospels, and the white church in America is evil or, some might even say, is the Antichrist.
Cone argued that the white church and white theologians had all failed in their duties to uphold biblical principles of helping the poor and marginalized of society. Indeed, in Cone's view, white Christians had become actively complicit in making the lives of others worse. Because of this, it was no longer acceptable to leave the interpretation of the Bible to white Christians.
Black Liberation Theology is dangerous, unscriptural and misrepresents "white efforts" to help the poor. The fact is, most humanitarian agencies have white leadership and white Christians support the organizations. But Cone didn't stop with just whites: He also criticized middle-class black churches. He felt all black churches should speak out as Rev. Wright has been doing for decades.
Now The Washington Times has come out with information to make the scenario even worse. They state in their April 2, 2008 issue, "The church where Sen. Barack Obama has worshipped for two decades publicly declares that its ministry is founded on a 1960s book that espouses 'the destruction of the white enemy.' They quote Cone as saying, 'What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject His love."
This is bizarre, yet a spokesman for Obama says, "It's absurd to suggest that Obama or anyone should be held responsible for every quote in every book read by a member of their church."
Wait a minute! We aren't only dealing with a quote or a book! We're talking about a candidate for President of the United States who has remained in a congregation for 22 years that appears to espouse some of the principles above. To have anything to do with Black Liberation Theology is to identify with hard-core Socialism and possibly even Marxism. It comes out of their own mouths.
Every serious church attendee looks into the belief system for the church they choose to attend -- as I have done several times -- because every church has a statement of faith. Even Trinity United Church of Christ is bold about their statement of faith and it is easily accessible.
Where is the outrage that over many years such a fury flourishes in America as Black Liberation Theology? If one looks carefully at it, the principles are almost that of a jihadist! This goes well beyond the antics of the "religious left" and makes them look like moderates -- which, by comparison, they are.
Pray for our churches today. Whether they are caught up in wrong theology or dangerous theology, God has not forgotten them nor should we. America will be as strong or weak as her churches are.
Learn more at my Web site under "Spiritual Deception." - - - -
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| Obama pastor's theology: Destroy 'the white enemy' |
'If God is not for us and against whites --- we had better kill him'WORLDNETDAILY - March 17, 2008Barack Obama's suddenly radioactive pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has defended himself against charges of anti-Americanism and racism by referring to his foundational philosophy, the "black liberation theology" of scholars such as James Cone, who regard Jesus Christ as a "black messiah" and blacks as "the chosen people" who will only accept a god who assists their aim of destroying the "white enemy." "If God is not for us and against white people," writes Cone, "then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community." Wright has not talked to media since video segments of his sermons over the past decade surfaced last week - including one in 2003 in which he encouraged blacks to damn America in God's name. But in a 2007 interview replayed on the Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes" show Friday, he repeatedly fended off Sean Hannity's questions with an appeal to authority, asking if the host had read any of the books of Cone, professor at New York's Union Theological Seminary, or Dwight Hopkins, professor at the University of Chicago's Divinity School, notes the Asia Times columnist who writes under the pseudonym Spengler." Obama, who has spoken of his pastor of more than 20 years as his mentor and moral compass, "wants to talk about what Wright is, rather than what he says," notes Spengler, by referring him as a "respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago." But Spengler says "that way lies apolitical quicksand." Cone, he points out, was the most prominent theologian in the "black liberation" school in the 1960s, teaching that Jesus Christ himself is black. The theologian explains:
Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants.
Rather than viewing God as a sovereign being who does as he wills according to his purposes, Cone insists God must do what we want him to do, or we must reject him.
What the black community wants, Cone says, is for God to assist in its goal of destroying "the white enemy." Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community
--- Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love. - - - -
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Wright's Voice Could Spell Doom for Obama: Praises Louis Farrakhan, defends view that Zionism is racism
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THE WASHINGTON POST [Wash Post Group/Graham] > Rough Sketch Blog by Dana Milbank - Posted by Eric Pianin - April 28, 2008The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, explaining this morning why he had waited so long before breaking his silence about his incendiary sermons, offered a paraphrase from Proverbs: "It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Barack Obama's pastor would have been wise to continue to heed that wisdom. Should it become necessary in the months from now to identify the moment that doomed Obama's presidential aspirations, attention is likely to focus on the hour between nine and ten this morning at the National Press Club. It was then that Wright, Obama's longtime pastor, reignited a controversy about race from which Obama had only recently recovered - and added lighter fuel. Speaking before an audience that included Marion Barry, Cornel West, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam official Jamil Muhammad, Wright praised Louis Farrakhan, defended the view that Zionism is racism, accused the United States of terrorism, repeated his view that the government created the AIDS virus to cause the genocide of racial minorities, stood by other past remarks ("God damn America") and held himself out as a spokesman for the black church in America. In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor. "He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American." Explaining further, Wright said friends had written to him and said, "We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected." The minister continued: "Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls." - - - - Read Full Report
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Is Jeremiah Wright a colossal disaster for Barack Obama or a press trick? |
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS [Mortimer Zuckerman] - By Errol Louis - April 29, 2008
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn't have done more damage to Barack Obama's campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that's just what one friend of Wright wanted.
Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with, Barbara Reynolds.
A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).
It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter.
On a blog linked to her Web site- www.reynoldsnews.com- Reynolds said in a February post: "My vote for Hillary in the Maryland primary was my way of saying thank you" to Clinton and her husband for the successes of Bill Clinton's presidency.
The same post criticized Obama's "Audacity of Hope" theme: "Hope by definition is not based on facts," wrote Reynolds. It is an emotional expectation. Things hoped for may or may not come. But help based on experience trumps hope every time."
In another blog entry, Reynolds gives an ever-sharper critique of Obama: "It is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier above the fray, the senator is fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr. Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church basement."
I don't know if Reynolds' eagerness to help Wright stage a disastrous news conference with the national media was a way of trying to help Clinton - my queries to Reynolds by phone and e-mail weren't returned yesterday - but it's safe to say she didn't see any conflict between promoting Wright and supporting Clinton.
It's hard to exaggerate how bad the actual news conference was. Wright, steeped in an honorable, fiery tradition of Bible-based social criticism, cheapened his arguments and his movement by mugging for the cameras, rolling his eyes, heaping scorn on his critics and acting as if nobody in the room was learned enough to ask him a question.
Wright has, unquestionably, been caricatured and vilified unfairly. The feeding programs, prison outreach and other social services he has built over more than 30 years are commendable, and his reading of the Judeo-Christian tradition as an epic story of people trying to escape slavery is far more right than wrong - and not something to be caricatured or compressed into a 10-second sound bite.
But Wright should have known - and his friend and ally Reynolds, a media professional, surely knew - that bickering with the press can only harm Wright and, by extension, Obama.
I hope that wasn't their goal.
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| Wright affirms U.S. to blame for 9/11 |
Pastor affirms U.S. to blame for 9/11, calls criticism 'attack on black church' WORLDNETDAILY - April 28, 2008 In an appearance at the National Press Club in Washington today, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. added fuel to Barack Obama's self-described "firestorm" by reaffirming his assertion the U.S. brought the 9/11 attacks on itself, contending American soldiers in Iraq have died "over a lie" and calling news reporting of his sermons an attack on the black church. - - -
Wright, regarded by Obama as a spiritual mentor and adviser, recently retired as senior pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
During the press conference, Wright scolded media for repeated airing of inflammatory remarks from his sermons, saying it is "not an attack on Jeremiah Wright, it is an attack on the black church."
The session with reporters touched on the issue of Obama distancing himself from Wright's speeches by claiming he was not in attendance to hear the anti-America and racially charged statements broadcast by media
A reporter asked whether Obama regularly attended church and paid attention during sermons.
"He goes to church about as much as you do," Wright replied. "What did your pastor preach in the last week? You don't know?" - - -
Last month, after what he called a "firestorm" sparked by the sermon videos, Obama gave a speech in Philadelphia in which he denounced Wright's remarks but refused to "disown" him.
In a January 2006 sermon, Wright called America the "No. 1 killer in the world" and blamed the country for launching the AIDS virus to maintain affluence at the expense of the Third World. The pastor reportedly said in a sermon just after 9/11, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." In a 2003 sermon, Wright encouraged blacks to "damn America" in God's name and blamed the U.S. for provoking the 9/11 attacks by dropping nuclear weapons on Japan in World War II and supporting Israel since 1947. - - - -
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| Wright says criticism is attack on black church |
ASSOCIATED PRESS - By Nedra Pickler - April 28, 2008 WASHINGTON - In a defiant appearance before the Washington media, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright said Monday that criticism surrounding his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church and rejected those who have labeled him unpatriotic.
"I served six years in the military," Barack Obama's longtime pastor said. "Does that make me patriotic? How many years did (Vice President Dick) Cheney serve?"
Wright spoke at the National Press Club before the Washington media and a supportive audience of black church leaders beginning a two-day symposium.
He said the black church tradition is not bombastic or controversial, but different and misunderstood by the "dominant culture" in the United States.
He said his Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has a long history of liberating the oppressed by feeding the hungry, supporting recovery for the addicted and helping senior citizens in need. He said congregants have fought in the military, including in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"My goddaughter's unit just arrived in Iraq this week while those who call me unpatriotic have used their positions of privilege to avoid military service while sending over 4,000 American boys and girls to die over a lie," he said.
Wright said he hopes the controversy will have a positive outcome and spark an honest dialogue about race in America. Wright says black church traditions are still "invisible" to many Americans, as they have been throughout the country's history.
He said he hopes "the most recent attack on the black church-it is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright-it's an attack on the black church," he said to applause, "just might mean that the reality of the African-American church will no longer be invisible." - - - -
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| Obama's minister said America made AIDS to wipe out blacks |
Candidate's spiritual mentor, role model charged U.S. is 'No. 1 killer in the world'WORLDNETDAILY - March 14, 2008In another controversial sermon pulled from the archives of Barack Obama's longtime pastor and mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. called America the "No. 1 killer in the world" and blamed the country for launching the AIDS virus to maintain affluence at the expense of the Third World. The Chicago minister who married the Obamas and baptized their daughters said in a January 2006 sermon at his alma mater, Howard University, "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. --- We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers." Speaking at the Washington, D.C., school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel, Wright said, "We started the AIDS virus. --- We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty." The pastor reportedly said in a sermon just after 9/11, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." In a 2003 sermon, reported yesterday, Wright encouraged blacks to damn America in God's name and blamed the U.S. for provoking the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks by dropping nuclear weapons on Japan in World War II and supporting Israel since 1947. - - - - Read Full Report |
| Rev. Wright Beyond the Bite; See His Context for Yourself -- Transcript |
ABC NEWS [Disney] - By Brian Ross, Avni Patel, and Rehab El-Buri - April 24, 2008Rev. Jeremiah Wright says his sermons were deliberately taken out of context by the news media "for a political purpose" and to "paint me as some sort of fanatic." "When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public. That's not a failure to communicate," he told Bill Moyers in his first interview since ABC News Good Morning America first broadcast portions of his sermons. The Moyers interview will be broadcast tomorrow evening on PBS. Wright says the use of the his controversial statements- -saying the US brought on the 9/ll attacks and that Black Americans should sing God Damn America instead of God Bless America-were "unfair" and "unjust" and were used "for some very devious reasons." - - - Left out of the original sound bites broadcast on Good Morning America were Wright's version of how America was built on terror, his description of the United States "as an arrogant, racist, military superpower," and comments on the wealth or success of Oprah Winfrey, Colin Power, Condoleezza Rice and Tiger Woods. - - - - Reverend Wright TranscriptFrom "The Day of Jerusalem's Fall" 9/16/2001 Rev. Jeremiah Wright: I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday, did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, did you see him John, a white man, and he pointed out, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammed was in fact true, America's chickens&are coming home to roost. We took this country by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arowak, the Comanche, the Arapahoe, the Navajo. Terrorism. We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism. We bombed Granada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel. We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers, and hardworking fathers. We bombed Qaddafi's home and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against a rock. We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hardworking people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they would never get back home. We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children from school, civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost. From "Confusing God and Government" 4/13/03 Rev. Jeremiah Wright: The British government failed, the Russian government failed, the Japanese government failed, the German government failed, and the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. The government put them in chains. She put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in sub-standard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education, and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing God Bless America&no, no, no Not God bless America, God damn America. That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. Think about this, think about this. For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you've got 5 million blacks who out of work. For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you've got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condoskeeza Rice, you've got 1 million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat, at the Masters, with his cap, blazin' hips playing on a course that discriminates against women. God has his way of bringing you up short when you get to big for your cap, blazin britches. For every one Tiger Woods, we got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent. ABC NEWS Article LinkTranscript Link |
| Obama's pastor 'crucified' just like Jesus by Romans |
New minister at controversial church proclaims: 'No one should end their ministry with lynching' WORLDNETDAILY - March 23, 2008 The new pastor at Barack Obama's church says his predecessor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was in a sense crucified just like Jesus Christ at the hands of the Romans.
According to Fox News, Rev. Otis Moss III titled his Easter sunrise sermon "How to Handle a Public Lynching," focusing mainly on the media firestorm over the Chicago church attended by the Democratic presidential candidate.
Moss reportedly did not specify Wright by name, but told the congregation at Trinity United Church of Christ that Wright, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and saying it is damned for its state-sponsored terrorism, is facing the same challenges Jesus did.
Moss said: "No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching. The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?"
The network says Moss made several pleas for donations to what he called the "Resurrection Fund," urging that money was needed at this time to defend the church.
He concluded by saying, "In order to crucify him you've got to lift him up --- he had more visibility on the cross than he did during his entire ministry."
Neither Wright nor Obama were at today's service in Chicago.
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| 2nd Obama-linked pastor under fire for racist talk |
Minister called U.S. mayors 'slave masters,'blacks who protect white men 'house n-ggers' WORLDNETDAILY - By Aaron Klein - March 23, 2008 Sen. Barack Obama has been linked to another controversial pastor, this time a declared spiritual adviser who has called white American mayors "slave masters," and referred to black preachers and politicians who "protect" the "white man" as "house n-ggers." "We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," exclaimed James Meeks, an Illinois state senator and pastor of one of the largest churches in the state, in an August, 2006 sermon broadcast on a Chicago community television channel. The speech was broadcast last week by Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes." Continued Meeks in the sermon: "But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n-ggers. You got some elected officials that are house n-ggers. Rather than them try and break this up, they're gonna fight you to protect that white man." Meeks at the time was lashing out at Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley over public-school funding issues. When confronted about his divisive rhetoric in 2006 by Mike Flannery, a political editor for a local CBS affiliate, Meeks defended his sermon. "Is it fair to compare Mayor Daley, him and the governor, to slave masters?" Flannery asked.
"They do the same thing. They preside over systems where they have the control of the lives of African-American and Hispanic people," Meeks replied.
With regard to his use of foul language, Meeks stated: "The N-word is not in the African-American community a bad word. It's a term of endearment. And I don't see it as derogatory or defensive, offensive." - - - A recent Meeks endorsement of Obama is touted on the presidential candidate's campaign website. In a 2004 interview with Cathleen Falsani of the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama described Meeks as an adviser who he seeks out for spiritual council.
Obama told the Sun-Times that the day after he won a 2004 senatorial primary, he stopped by Meeks' Salem Baptist Church for Wednesday-night Bible study.
"I know that he's a person of prayer," said Meeks of Obama. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."
Meeks has made other controversial race remarks.
In 2006, Meeks informed his church during a sermon he may run for Illinois governor. He was recorded telling the mostly black congregation any "white Christian" who doesn't vote for him is a "racist." - - - -
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| Obama adviser gets laughs from 'gay' Jesus |
Video shows him introducing YouTube piece that mocks ChristWORLDNETDAILY - April 21, 2008Another Barack Obama adviser is under scrutiny for showing disdain for America's mainstream, this time after the unearthing of video footage in which the candidate's key technology guru gleefully introduced a YouTube piece that mocks Jesus Christ. Larry Lessig is shown at a 2006 seminar for Google employees introducing a clip that depicts an effeminate Jesus singing Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive." The Jesus figure throws off his robe, revealing a diaper-like covering, and eventually is run over by a bus as he sashays through city streets, reports Erick Erickson of the blogsite RedState. Lessig prefaces the music video saying, "This is a little bit touchy to some people. I don't get it, so just chill. The underlying message here is that Jesus does survive." The Google employees laugh throughout the presentation, and Lessig concludes by assuring them there's a sequel making clear Jesus survived the accident. As WND reported, Obama's military adviser and national campaign co-chairman, Merrill A. McPeak, recently suggested U.S. politicians are afraid of Jewish voters and that American Jews are impeding a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. - - - Other advisers who have created problems for the Obama campaign include top foreign-policy adviser Samantha Power, who resigned after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster," and economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, who reportedly confided to Canadian officials that Obama's position on the North American Free Trade Agreement was merely political posturing. - - - - Read Full Report |
| Muslim leader to urge support of Wright |
THE DETROIT FREE PRESS [Knight Ridder] - By Niraj Warikoo, Free Press Staff Writer - April 25, 2008A prominent Muslim leader from Dearborn Heights is calling for the support of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial pastor from Chicago who was Sen. Barack Obama's religious mentor. Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi, head of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, said that during his sermon this afternoon at his mosque he plans to "condemn the unfair treatment" that he says Wright "received by some media members who are ignoring this faith leader's decades of dedication and services to this country and nation." Elahi said in a release that he plans to make his remarks during today's Friday sermon, which is traditionally the most attended service in Islamic centers, ahead of Wright's talk Sunday in Detroit at an NAACP dinner. Wright has been criticized for making remarks some say are anti-American. Original Report Here |
Biblical Scholars Challenge Pelosi's 'Scripture' Quote
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CYBERCAST NEWS SERVICE [CNSN.com] - By Pete Winn - April 23, 2008House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is fond of quoting a particular passage of Scripture. The quote, however, does not appear in the Bible and is "fictional," according to biblical scholars. In her April 22 Earth Day news release, Pelosi said, "The Bible tells us in the Old Testament, 'To minister to the needs of God's creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.' On this Earth Day, and every day, let us pledge to our children, and our children's children, that they will have clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and the opportunity to experience the wonders of nature." Cybercast News Service repeatedly queried the speaker's office for two days to determine where the alleged Bible quote is found. Thus far, no one has responded. Distinguished biblical scholars, however, cast doubt on the existence of the passage. John J. Collins, the Holmes professor of Old Testament criticism and interpretation at Yale Divinity School, said he is totally unfamiliar with Pelosi's quotation. "(It's) not one that I recognize," Collins told Cybercast News Service. "I assume that she means this is a paraphrase. But it wouldn't be a close paraphrase to anything I know of." Claude Mariottini, a professor of Old Testament at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, told Cybercast News Service the passage not only doesn't exist - it's "fictional." "It is not in the Bible," Mariottini said. "There is nothing that even approximates that." Other scholars agree that nothing remotely resembling it can be found in any version of the Scriptures - Old Testament or New Testament. "The quote does not exist in the Old Testament, neither in the New Testament," said the Rev. Andreas Hock, a doctor of Scripture who teaches in the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Denver's St. John Vianney Seminary. "Even in pieces or bits, (it) cannot be found in the Old Testament," he added. Interestingly, Pelosi has mentioned the quote before, Mariottini noted. "In truth, (she) has used this 'passage' in many different ways, and all of those usages have nothing to do with the Bible whatsoever," he said. Indeed, Cybercast News Service has learned that Pelosi has repeatedly used the quote: -- In December 2005, in a Christmas message to the U.S. House of Representatives, Pelosi said: "Mr. Speaker, as we leave for this Christmas recess, let us say, 'God bless you' to the American people by voting against this Republican budget and statement of injustice and immorality, and let us not let the special interest goose get fat at the expense of America's children.
"The gentleman from Washington [state], Mr. McDermott, quoted the prophet Isaiah. And as the Bible teaches us, to minister to the needs of God's creation is an act of worship, to ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us. Let us vote no on this budget as an act of worship and for America's children."
-- On Feb. 8, 2007, in remarks before the U.S. House Science and Technology Committee, when it held hearings on global warming, she used the same quote, verbatim, as in her Earth Day release.
-- On April 6, 2007, in congressional remarks before the Easter recess: "In this Holy Week, we are reminded of these words in the Old Testament: 'To minister to the needs of God's creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us.' We must move quickly to honor God's creation by reducing greenhouse gas pollution in the United States and around the world." - - -
[Ed. note: More quotes included] Mis-remembered? Mis-paraphrased? Is Pelosi's alleged quote merely an attempt to express a biblical principle about man's need to care for the environment? The scholars differed slightly on that question, but none believe the case for environmentalism comes directly form Scripture, as Pelosi indicated. Eric Jenislawski, a professor at Virginia's Christendom College, said that the Bible teaches in Genesis that man was placed on earth "to till it and keep it" (Genesis 2:15). But just a few verses earlier, he pointed out, God also commanded man "to fill the earth and subdue it" (Genesis 1:28). - - - - Read Full Report
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| Georgia bill pushes guns in churches |
Christian Coalition supports expanded carry provisionWORLDNETDAILY - March 5, 2008
Ed. Note: I do not have any problem with responsible gun ownership for personal protection as well as the fact that the 2nd Amendment was intended to give American citizens the right to own arms for not just for personal protection but for protection from it's own government, something often overlooked. However, these sorts of political ventures that the so-called Christian Coalition gets itself involved with are never good for the cause of Christ and always provide ammunition for His enemies. Here again is an example that makes Christians look like nothing other than a bunch of ignorant, back woods, gun toting, right- wing hicks. No gospel can be found here but plenty of bad news for true believers as this will all eventually lead to persecution. BE/\LERT!
WASHINGTON - The Georgia Christian Coalition is getting behind a state bill to expand gun-carry laws into company parking lots and churches. State Rep. Tim Bearden is sponsoring the bill with the support of the National Rifle Association. It is being opposed by the Georgia Chamber of Commerce as a violation of private property rights. The bill is currently in a House-Senate conference committee. Christians began recognizing the threat for mayhem in the pews after an armed rampage in Colorado recently. After killing two people at a Christian training center in Arvada, Colo., 24-year-old Matthew Murray went to Colorado Springs intending more murder and mayhem. Murray shot and killed two girls in the New Life Church's parking lot, then headed inside the building where thousands of worshippers were concluding a service. A volunteer security guard, Jeanne Assam, confronted him almost immediately and fired at him. He fell, and an autopsy later said he had shot himself. In fact, church shootings have been on the rise in the U.S. A tabulation of church shootings, or those closely related to a church setting, was done by Gary Cass, chairman of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, and included 10 such attacks over the last four years, including Murray's two attacks. - - - - Read Full Report | |
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