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BoSacks Speaks Out: On Interns, Business and Conde Nast

 

F. Scott Fitzgerald once said that "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."  I am going to try to discuss the concept of internship where I hold two opposing thoughts.

 

I was never an intern as I started my first publication a year or so out of high school.  One could say I jumped from unemployment into the frying pan of being a publisher/owner, without the intermediate steps of a normal career, and it is fair to say, I did not do it alone, I had two other great partners to lean upon.

 

Wikipedia says that an "internship is a method of on-the-job training for white-collar and professional careers. Internships for professional careers are similar to apprenticeships for trade and vocational jobs. Although interns are typically college or university students, they can also be high school students or post-graduate adults. Internships may be paid or unpaid, and are usually understood to be temporary positions. Generally, an internship consists of an exchange of services for experience between the student and an organization."

 

There you have it. Part of the definition is that internships may be paid or unpaid, and are usually understood to be temporary positions. If that is the understood and agreed upon definition, where is all the uproar coming from of interns claiming slave wages and demanding some sort of remuneration? If you are a novice and wish to enter into a deal with a company to learn on the job as an unpaid apprentice, where does the system go awry? How can you make a deal to work and learn and then say, hey I don't like the deal I agreed to, so I am suing you. If the deal is unacceptable, why not quit?

 

The other side of the argument is that companies like Conde Nast, Hearst, Time Inc and all the other major players make billions of dollars and how dare they not pay a fair wage for work provided. I understand this sentiment, and I will admit that on the surface it seems like an understandable request. But if the major players had to pay to teach "kids" would they have them there in the first place. Is it a fair deal? No, not necessarily. But it is a system that has been in place for business from time immemorial. It is also not fair to families that cannot afford to support an intern who needs to learn a profession and wishes to be in publishing. So on some levels the process is discriminatory. And I guess at the end of the day, it comes down to the question of "does business have to be fair?" 

 

Does business have to fair? If so, how do you define fair? Is fairness built into a business plan? I would like to think that a good business is both honest and competitive. If you are competitive, where does fairness come in to play?

 

It is here where I am trying to hold two opposing ideas in my mind at the same time and still retain the ability to articulate the issue with some sensibility. In my 40 years in the publishing field I had many interns working for me, and I made it my business to see that they grew in knowledge about publishing, gained some "real" experience and left after the summer a better potential employee.  Some were paid and some were not.

 

There are no black and white answers to these questions. But if you agree to work for nothing in exchange for a business education, I don't see where there is validity to then demanding to be paid. If you want to get paid, go somewhere else where they will teach you and pay you at the same time. For me it is the agreement part that sticks. Agree to work for free or do not agree. No one is forcing the intern to make that decision.

 

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The Express circa 1971. Almost nobody got paid anything, but the education we received sent several of these stalwarts into superior publishing careers. 

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I started in the mailroom, literally, as an intern... in 1974. The legislator I was working for at the time said, 'I want you to get your law degree and come back here and get elected and be the first woman governor.' I kind of took that guy seriously - I thought that sounded like a pretty good idea.

Claire McCaskill is the senior United States Senator from Missouri

What It Means to Be an Intern

By DODAI STEWART

http://jezebel.com/what-it-means-to-be-an-intern-1172347430

 

Interns are a hot topic right now: At Bank of America in London, an intern died after working 72 hours straight. Cond� Nast recently decided to stop paying interns. Diddy's record label is being sued by a former intern, who claims she was never paid. And Sheryl Sandberg's Lean In organization made waves when they announced they were hiring unpaid interns.

 

The Bank of America intern, Moritz Erhardt, was a business student who had allegedly worked until 6 AM three nights in a row. In addition to paid analyst and associate internships, BOA offers paid internships for students as young as high school juniors. But at Cond� Nast - where interns previously received a small stipend - there's now no pay for the work involved. Sheryl Sandberg made $91 million last week, the same week her Lean In organization was searchingfor an unpaid intern. And even with the music industry in shambles, you can imagine that Rashida Salaam - who a filed class-action lawsuit today against Bad Boy records, accusing company of violating minimum-wage laws by not paying interns - is not alone in having worked for free while surrounded by folks with million dollar watches. (Diddy himself started his career as an intern at Uptown Records.)

 

Magazine conglomerate Cond� Nast, which was slapped with a lawsuit in June for paying interns less than a dollar per hour, has decided to stop paying ... Read...more 

 

 

Here's the question: What does it mean to be an intern? What is an internship? Traditionally, it's a position that allows a below-entry-level person to gain on-the-job work experience - andlife experience. It is not necessarily (or even primarily) a paid position - hence the term paidinternship. I, like many in my field, have had both paid and unpaid internships. In high school I worked at a local paper and received nothing in return but the excitement: I'm working at a paper! I opened mail and once went to a community board meeting as "press"; it was boring, but I learned something about how media works. In college, where I was a screenwriting major, I worked (for school credit) in the Story Department at Universal Pictures, and part of my everyday duties included throwing scripts in the garbage, which was both depressing and illuminating; I learned I did not really want to be a screenwriter. Can you put a price on that sort of epiphany?

 

My coworker, Tracie, was an intern at Talk Magazine, where she did a lot of grunt work, including returning Tina Brown's borrowed clothing for events back to Bergdorf. But she also got to see and learn a lot about Brown, and how decisions get made at a magazine - from the critiques of the layouts on the wall to scrapping entire photo shoots and managing staff. Her stipend was $10 a day.

 

There are many valid critiques of the unpaid intern model: Uncompensated labor is a human rights violation. The system benefits the company, not the intern, and can be the sole dominion of rich kids who can afford to spend their days with an unpaid job. How is the average young person supposed to live if an internship requires so many hours out of the week and so little income? If a company is profitable -

 

 making millions - why can't it budget for internships?

A former Harper's Bazaar intern is suing the Hearst corporation for failing to pay her. The intern, who is seeking to make the lawsuit a class... Read...more

 

On the other hand, however, there are things one cannot learn in school: how to conduct yourself in an office, how to navigate hierarchies and cubicle politics, how big ideas go from conceptual meetings to development and production. The ideal internship is not just about grunt work; it offers insight into the intricacies of how business gets done, and how being a cog in the machine - from making copies to getting coffee - allows the process to run smoothly. If it's truly educational, the value is in the knowledge. You're being paid in experience.

 

Are there shitty stories of humiliation, thankless tasks and abuse? Certainly. But ideally, an internship is temporary, not full-time, and actually gives an inexperienced person a chance to work in the field - possibly at the company - of his or her dreams.

 

 Having put years between myself and my internships, I don't regret taking unpaid positions (though I thank mighty Zeus for the paid ones). I regret not trying more internships, testing the waters at different companies. The opportunities - to network, to have people who can eventually hire you know your name - are valuable.

 

Should a booming company pay its interns? Sure. But should a non-profit be prohibited from hiring interns because it can't pay them? I'm not sure there's an easy answer to that, but it seems like there are situations where the system can be mutually beneficial.

Or maybe companies should just start calling these folks volunteers instead.

 
 
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