Indianapolis Chapter CSI Newsletter

April 2017

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"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"

Deep Thoughts

- Leonardo da Vinci

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Your Humble Narrator,

Mike Halstead
Indianapolis CSI Newsletter Co-Editor
Mild Mannered Reporter,

Ryan Muzzillo
Indianapolis CSI Newsletter Co-Editor
The Insider

April 20th our program will be "Unmanned Aerial Systems" - or drones.  Our chapter legal team from DSV will be presenting the legal program issues with using drones.  Drone on!
May 11 will be a joint program with IRCA with our very own Vanna White - Lora Manning - assisting.  May 18-20 will be the Great Lakes Region Conference in Akron, Ohio, June 15 will be our Awards Banquet at the Columbia Club, July 19 will be a tour of the new Roche facilities, September 13th through the 16th will be Construct in Providence, Rhode Island and September 28 will be our 43rd Annual CSI Indy Trade Show at the JW Marriott.  Sounds like a few good road trips - and wouldn't Buck Wilhite like that? 

Thanks to Mrs. David Fryman (AKA Amanda) for taking over photography at our Chapter Meetings - very much appreciated.  And we also need someone to take over for Matt Maier and the monthly raffle - step up you youngins!  Thanks to Bill McGuire and Amy Baker for stepping up and becoming Board Members.  Names sound familiar? Nepotism? Frat Legacies? Animal House?  "Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman - Damn Glad to Meet You".  Only thing better than watching your children sleep when they are babies is watching them work when they are older - right Joe and Jim?       

I thought our Pacers were going to beat the Cavs in Game 1 - you can ask for more than an open 18 footer from CJ Miles to win the game?  That would have been a great way to start the NBA Playoffs.  Looks like Golden State and the Spurs Western Conference Finals will determine the NBA Champion this year.  And the Basketball Gods have spoken - Crean is gone and Archie Miller is in at IU!  I might actually be able to enjoy IU Basketball and March Madness again.   

Unfortunately the Stanley Cup Playoffs have not started well for my Blackhawks - losing the first two games at home and being shutout both games - who could have predicted that?  And that is with Anisimov back - wow, I'm heartbroken, now we have to win 4 in a row with 2 more on the road in Nashville.  At least Toronto has Washington on the ropes too.  Looks like the Penguins, Blues and Oilers are coming on strong - should be a great playoff.         

I suppose I have to acknowledge Opening Day in baseball too - although I haven't paid much attention since they let players juice and break timeless records.  But why stay bitter?  Apparently there is no crying in baseball.  GO CUBBIES!

Hope you all had a great Easter and on with Spring!

- Your Humble Narrator 
Upcoming Events
Programs Committee


2016-2017 Standing Reservation List

Monday, August 8, 2016 at 9:00 AM EDT -to- Friday, June 30, 2017 at 1:00 PM EDT

Riverwalk Banquet Center


Indianapolis Chapter CSI April Meeting: Drones

Thursday, April 20, 2017 from 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM EDT

The presentation will briefly review the current regulatory and legal framework for commercial drone operations the FAAs most recent regulations; jurisdictional issues affecting local, state, and federal limitations on drone usage.

Willows on Westfield


Indianapolis Chapter CSI May Meeting: Asphalt Shingles

Thursday, May 11, 2017 from 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM EDT

This presentation will explain and discuss asphalt roofing shingles. This program will focus on the product standards defined by ASTM, UL, FM, and ANSI. The program will show how these standards relate to the requirements of the IRC, Miami Dade Product Control, the FL Building Code and the TX department of Insurance.

Willows on Westfield


2017 Indianapolis Chapter CSI GOLF Outing!

Thursday, June 1, 2017 from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM EDT

It's time to "GRIP 'EM & RIP 'EM"! The golf course is calling your name. Hire your caddy, get out your mojo, & join us for a fun-filled event! Prizes awarded, lunch included, raffle tickets available, optional dinner following, & fun for all. Let's hit 'em looonggggg! SPONSORS: If you want to sponsor but not play, select the SPONSORS under FEES.

Eagle Creek Golf Club - Sycamore Course


Indianapolis Chapter CSI Trade Show - Exhibitor Registration

Thursday, September 28, 2017 from 3:00 PM to 7:00 PM EDT

This is a chance for exhibitors to sign up for booths to the 43rd Annual CSI Indianapolis Trade Show, #DESIGNINDY2017. It will be held at the JW Marriott Indianapolis on Wednesday, September 28, 2017 from 3-7pm.

JW Marriott



YouTube Channel  
Visual Education


The Indianapolis Chapter CSI has entered into a new phase of the digital communication era, and now has a dedicated YouTube Channel for the benefit of our membership.
Certification Quiz
Jack Morgan - Quizmaster

1.  In Specifications, avoid using phrases such as the following:
a.  "as approved"

b.  "as indicated"

c.  "as required"

d.  All of the above.


2.  True or False.   Collaboration is a fundamental characteristic of Integrated Project Delivery (IPD).

a.  True

b.  False


3.  OmniClass contains two tables that expand into UniFormat and MasterFormat respectively:

a.  Table 21 Elements and Table 23 Products

b.  Table 21 Elements and Table 22 Work Results

c.  Table 23 Products and Table 32 Services

d.  Table 23 Products and Table 22 Work Results


4.  Which is the longest Stage of the Facility Life Cycle?

a.  Project Conception

b.  Design

c.  Facility Management

d.  Construction


5.  There are three methods of measuring or quantifying the amount of work eligible for payment:

a.  Stipulated Sum

b.  Unit Price

c.  Cost Plus Fee

d.  All of the above

Table Tops
Kent Hughes
Indianapolis Chapter CSI

 The Indianapolis Chapter of CSI is accepting reservations for Table Tops for upcoming Chapter meetings. The list of programs for upcoming Chapter meetings is published in this newsletter, the web site, or contact Program chairman Jack Morgan -  , if you would like to target a particular meeting, be sure to make your reservation early. We do have a limit of four spaces available for Table Tops in a standard meeting room and 10 if we have a double room.
Table Tops are an opportunity to promote your company, products, or services to all attendees of our regular chapter meeting during the social hour. There is a maximum of 20 minutes for Table Top presentation at a regular Chapter meeting. You have the floor for maximum of five minutes after dinner before the speaker to communicate to the entire group if there are four presenters. If there is a greater demand, the 20 minutes will be divided by the number of presenters and rounded down to the nearest 30 seconds.
The Table Top presentations are FREE, one time, to new members, and cost current Indianapolis Chapter members only $75. Non-members get the same opportunity for $125. A 30 by 60 table with a cover and skit will be included. All proceeds go to support the Chapter. Payment is due at the time of setup.
Another opportunity for a Table Top is during an Education Seminar. The cost is if you combine it with the Chapter meeting and Education Seminar the cost would be $100 for current members and $150 for non-members.
If you would like to schedule a Table Top for a future meeting or seminar, contact:
Kent A. Hughes RA CDT - American Structurepoint
Be sure to put 'Table Top Request in the subject line
The Insider

"If you can dream it, you can do it. Always remember that this whole thing was started by a mouse." -Walt Disney-

'Walt never forgot how he got started and had an appreciation for how amazing it was that he built his company to a global giant off of a cartoon mouse. It really is true that if you can dream it, you can do it because there are those that have proven it time and time again. They are the ones that have built entire empires off of one simple idea. It starts with that one idea, and then you scale it up and up until you have everything you've ever dreamed. The best place to start is where you are now with what you have now.'

Election results are in from the March election.  From this year's slate of qualified individuals, the two who were elected to serve a three-year term starting July 1, 2017, are Amy Baker, the Architectural Sales Representative for William Baker Company, and William McGuire, a student at Ivy Tech Indianapolis.  The Great Lakes Region election results are in, and David Fryman will serve as Vice-President, and Ken Schmidt will be the incoming President.  Election results for the position of Director at Large for the Institute Board - Jack Morgan will be serving for the next two years.  Congratulations to all.  For those who didn't make it this year or who dream of being on the Board next year, your chance will come back around in January.  I would also like to thank Kristin Welty and the Teller Committee for their hard work in tallying the ballets.

This month's meeting will briefly review the current regulatory and legal framework for commercial drone operations; the FAA's most recent regulations; jurisdictional issues affecting local, state, and federal limitations on drone usage; FAA enforcement actions and the unauthorized use of drones; and privacy rights, trespass liability and a landowner's right to self-help remedies.  The program will be presented by Thaddeus J. Schurter, Associate with Drewry Simmons Vornehm, LLP.  Thaddeus focuses his practice on Construction Litigation.  Having worked in construction for ten years before becoming an attorney, he brings exceptional insight and technical experience to the table for his clients.  Mr. Schurter represents clients from across the full spectrum of the construction industry -- including architects, engineers, contractors, subcontractors, suppliers, and owners.  He also advises clients in a wide range of design and construction-related matters including contract review, negotiation, and termination, construction and design defect claims, professional negligence claims, performance and payment bond disputes, lien claims, and payment security issues.  Mr. Schurter recently served as counsel for a major telecommunications company in numerous property damage and personal injury cases arising out of an explosion and fire caused by an uncontrolled gas leak.  He has also represented clients in cases involving boiler explosions, building envelope failures, roof collapses, structural failures, and premises liability claims.

Last month we dressed in the Pink during the Indy Fuel hockey game in support of cancer awareness.  We sold just over 75 tickets this year for our 2nd annual hockey night.  With that we had the opportunity to have someone take a lap on the Zamboni.  Next year let's try for 100 plus and maybe get to drop the puck.  Thank you to the Social Committee for making us the fun Chapter.  My family is looking forward to the Indians ball game and the Duck Pin Bowling in the fall.  If you would like to help by being part of the committee or by sponsoring one or both of these upcoming events, please contact Kent Hughes at American Structurepoint,
I would like to encourage members as well as those who dream of becoming a leader in the future, to attend the Great Lakes Region Conference Thursday, May 18, through Saturday, May 20.  This year the event will be held in Akron, OH, at the Marriott's Courtyard Akron Downtown, and there is a discounted block of rooms available until April 25.  Click here to make hotel reservations

Don't forget to register as an attendee when you book your room, because it isn't any fun to just sit in a room by yourself!  Join the rest of the attendees and earn up to 10.0 LUs. Click here to register as an attendee
There is also FREE money available through the Chapter and the Region for attendees to the GLRC.  Please contact our Chapter Treasurer for more information on our stipends, and contact the Region Treasurer, Scott Taylor,, for the stipends available.

The May meeting will be a week early, May 11th, due to the Great Lakes Region Conference.  And June will be the Award Banquet and Annual Meeting.  The venue will be the Skyline Club and it will be on June 15th.  A postcard with additional information will be mailed out soon.  Please check out our website for registration information for this and future events, and mark your calendars; visit

Congratulations to the winner of the March book on Disney from my collection.  It is my understanding this person won the book, the 50/50 and was elected to the board.  Seems to have been one lucky person that day; hope they bought a lottery ticket.  The photo I have selected this month is an early morning picture taken in 2011 when we visited Disneyland.  Remember, if you can dream it you can do it. 

Ralph R. Pitman, Jr. CSI, CDT
Indianapolis Chapter CSI - President 2016-17
Spock as a specifier
Sheldon Wolfe, RA, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, CSC
In our never-ending search for truth in specifications, we often lose sight of reality. We're inundated with advertising, product data, test reports, and white papers; where once specifiers complained about a lack of information, we now struggle to keep up with what we receive. We can't know what we don't know, and we have no time to evaluate what we have seen. As if that weren't bad enough, we often find that what we thought we knew isn't true.

As an example, consider building insulation. The way it works and its value have been understood since antiquity, and until recently we have felt comfortable with evaluating, specifying, and detailing various types of insulation. And then, several years ago, everything began to unravel.

Several years ago, the accepted nominal R-value of polyisocyanurate insulation was reduced. Until then, manufacturers conditioned insulation for six months prior to testing and those properties were published, even though it was known that the R-value continued to decline after six months. Architects typically assumed the published values to be constant and gave no more thought to the issue.

When plotted, the insulating value of foam insulations is seen to follow an asymptotic curve, always decreasing, but at a rate that also decreases. The result is a curve that always decreases toward a limit, but never reaches it. The term LTTR (long-term thermal resistance) became part of our vocabulary, a method to calculate a nominal R-value closer that more closely represents the properties of insulation. The reason for the reduction is the off-gassing of the blowing agents, which slows down as the concentration in the cells decreases.

I recall the discussion surrounding the introduction of LTTR. Maybe my memory is faulty, but as I recall it was focused on polyisocyanurate insulation. As it happens, extruded polystyrene also loses R-value. More important is the definition of LTTR, "the time-weighted average of thermal resistance over 15 years." In other words, it does not show the R-value of insulation that remains in place longer than 15 years. What does that mean for buildings designed for a service life of 50 or 100 years? How will the operating costs change? The nature of the curve, which has been shown to be reasonably accurate, means there won't be much change, but it's a question worth asking.

The reported performance of insulation is in itself suspect. In Info-502: Temperature Dependence of R-values in Polyisocyanurate Roof Insulation, Building Science Corporation shows the results of testing 15 samples of polyisocyanurate insulation. The range of R-values is about 1.5 points at 25 degrees mean temperature, a 30 percent difference. Yet all manufacturers, with one exception, claim the same, ASTM-standard R-value for their products. The exception is a company that reports a 50-year R-value for its XPS. As you might expect, it's not the usual 5.0 we all use, but 4.2. Doesn't it make sense to calculate energy use and mechanical system performance based on the lower value?

One of the problems with all testing is confidence in the results. ASTM and other standards-producing bodies often refer to two aspects of measuring this confidence - repeatability and reproducibility. In theory, a given test method would always produce the same results for the same material. In practice, that rarely occurs due to a number of influences. Because humans are involved, results can vary even when tests are performed by equipment. There may be slight differences in the type of equipment used, and even when equipment is regularly recalibrated, it may not give the same readings.

Briefly, repeatability is a measure of consistency of a test when performed by the same person in the same laboratory using the same equipment, within a short period of time. In contrast, reproducibility measures the differences caused when a test is performed by different people in different locations using the same equipment. I looked at several ASTMs and found both repeatability and reproducibility reported as 95%, which means that the accuracy of test results will be consistent.

The point of all this is that we seem to be caught in a Spock syndrome, citing performance values to unsupportable accuracy. If, for example, you specify an R-value of 5.0, that is the number you expect after rounding. In practice, of course, you would accept a higher R-value regardless of rounding, but the minimum would be 4.95. But when test results show a variation of 30 percent, and manufacturers simply claim a nominal value stated in a standard, what are you really specifying, and what are you getting? Sprayed products present even more problems. I wasn't completely comfortable with material that went on at 60 mils; I cringe when I see product data that claims only 6 mils is required.

I understand the problems involved in manufacturing, application, testing, and so on, and we need some way to compare materials, but I question the validity of Spock-like precision.


2016, Sheldon Wolfe, RA, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, CSC

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