THE WINNER'S CIRCLE

Indianapolis Chapter CSI Newsletter

 November 2016

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"The thankful receiver bears a plentiful harvest."






Deep Thoughts

- William Blake



Please let us know if you have any ideas for future newsletters.

Your Humble Narrator,


Mike Halstead
Indianapolis CSI Newsletter Co-Editor
Mild Mannered Reporter,

Ryan Muzzillo
Indianapolis CSI Newsletter Co-Editor
The Insider

November 17th our program is the Bankers Life Reroof Project and new member and prospective member orientation night.  Get your RSVP in for the Holiday Party December 8 at the Columbia Club.  I heard there were some mint julips downed at Churchill Downs during our joint program with the Louisville Chapter of CSI.  Gotta keep up our reputation as the fun chapter.  Speaking of fun - much was had at Duckpin Bowling on Friday October 20th.  Thanks again to Jeremy Hoffman for coordinating and to all those who participated.   

Our next social event will be at the Indy Fuel - keep your eyes and ears open for updated information.  Gary Gaiser and BD and I ran into Matt Maier and Dan McCloskey at the Colts game in Green Bay.  Hey Matt - back away from the brats!  Lambeau Field is awesome and so is Green bay - it seemed like a college town.  Any true sports fan has to make that pilgrimage.  I brought my lucky squirrel to insure a Colts victory.

A pilgrimage we must all take is the new 9-11 Museum and Freedom Tower in NYC.  I was just there last weekend and it is inspiring - almost as effective as the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC.  The reflecting pools were dynamic, the interior design of the museum was incredible, the displays were awesome and the tower is elegant - much better in person than in photos.  Of course the tower isn't the original award winning design by Daniel Libeskind - "design by committee" and a few egos got in the way but in the end it's still incredible.      
            
Aren't you glad the elections are over?  No matter what side of the fence you are on don't you get tired of all the negativity?  I'm glad the vast majority of us can now get back to our families and careers.  It almost ruins Thanksgiving - the greatest day of the year - family, food, football and naps.  True That.

The Hurryin' Hoosiers beat Kansas last week - a lot of great young talent, let's hope Crean doesn't screw it up.  The Curse is over too - Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
      



- Your Humble Narrator 
Upcoming Events
Programs Committee

 

2016-2017 Standing Reservation List

Monday August 8, 2016 at 9:00 AM EDT -to- Friday June 30, 2017 at 1:00 PM EDT

Riverwalk Banquet Center

 

Indianapolis Chapter CSI November Meeting: Banker's Life Fieldhouse Re-roof

Thursday November 17, 2016 from 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM EST

This presentation will discuss the logistics and challenges of the re-roofing of Banker's Life Fieldhouse.

Willows on Westfield

 

Indianapolis Chapter CSI Holiday Party

Thursday December 8, 2016 from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM EST

Usher in the holiday season with the Indianapolis Chapter CSI.

Columbia Club

 

 

"THEY SHOOT AND SCORE!!  HAT TRICK TO CSI INDY CHAPTER!"
 
To any chapter members who attended last February's  "CSI Night at the Indy Fuel" and to those of us what weren't at the event but are going to make the next one...We are currently planning another visit to our lucky-pucksters (try saying that fast!)
 
There will be more information forthcoming in the next few months (the season has started).

YouTube Channel  
Visual Education

 

The Indianapolis Chapter CSI has entered into a new phase of the digital communication era, and now has a dedicated YouTube Channel for the benefit of our membership.
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"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing."   -Walt Disney-

A lot of us talk about doing something, and it's just hot air.  This is the best way to stall a project and procrastinate instead of getting it started.  When you find that you're working on something that just isn't taking off, quit talking about it and just start doing it and make it happen.  This is best applied to a new idea that you've come up with and that you hope will come true.  Walt was full of new ideas, and consistently tried to come up with new ones throughout his lifetime.  He knew what it was like to talk about something and then switch to doing.  The Board has been talking about broadcasting our meetings to the Evansville Chapter for a short time now.  The Region heard about this and will be financially backing this venture.  Our new Technology Committee will be making this happen this month as a Beta Test.  We have a plan to expand this broadcast to a larger audience in the future.  If you would like to be part of this or if you have other ideas of how the Chapter can utilize new technology, please contact Henry Stellema.

I want to say thank you to all the current military members and the veterans that have served to keep our country safe and keep our freedoms in place.  We should also be thankful for our family, friends, abundance of food and water, having a job, and a lot more that you can fill in the blank.  Our country has recovered from a great recession and continues to build and grow and looks forward to making changes to make things continue to progress.

October was a month of education and fun.  I would like to thank Matt Maier, Terri Truitt, IMI, and all the sponsors for putting together the all-day education on masonry prior to the evening program.  We also had 6 tabletops with materials related to the topics.  Remember that tabletops are available at all education seminars and evening programs by contacting the chairman.  And what about that evening program presented by Mike Schwoch!  I certainly didn't know all the differences between Indiana and Wisconsin limestone, all the different uses, and or about using it as a thin veneer.  You missed another great educational opportunity, but there are more to come thanks to our outstanding Programs Committee.  Now the fun for October was the social event of Duck Pin Bowling at Atomic Bowl.  We had several kids in costumes at the first flight and some adults at the second flight.  This event was FREE to the members and their families.  We will be doing this again next year in October, so watch the website for a date.  Please check out the website for registration and future events and mark your calendars, http://indianapolis.csinet.org/ 

The Disney book for November will be another great one related to the Parks.  Remember, the more tickets you buy, the better chance of winning, and all the funds go to help the student scholarship funds.  The photo I have selected at the end is the closest to being a personal salute to our vets and was taken at EPCOT in 2005.  Abigail was just 8 at the time but proud to be an American. 
  












Ralph R. Pitman, Jr. CSI, CDT
Indianapolis Chapter CSI - President 2016-17 
Certification Quiz
Jack Morgan - Quizmaster

1.  True or False:  The A/E may withhold certification for payment in whole or in part if in the A/E's opinion representations to Owner cannot be made concerning the progress of the Work.


a.  True

b.  False


2.  Which bond protects the Owner from losing the benefit of an accepted bid?
 

a.  Maintenance Bond

b.  Payment Bond

c.  Bid Bond

d.  Performance Bond

 

3.  Drawings prepared by the Contractor, subcontractor, or material supplier that show how a particular aspect of the Work is to be fabricated and installed are called:

 

a.  Record Drawings

b.  Construction Documents

c.  Shop Drawings

d.  Details

 

4.  What information is found within Division 11 in MasterFormat?

      

a.  Mechanical Systems

b.  Furnishings

c.  Equipment

d.  Special Construction


5.  True or False:  Legal liability of one Party is assumed by the other is called Subrogation.
 

a.  True

b.  False


Table Tops

Kent Hughes

Indianapolis Chapter CSI

 

 The Indianapolis Chapter of CSI is accepting reservations for Table Tops for upcoming Chapter meetings. The list of programs for upcoming Chapter meetings is published in this newsletter, the web site, or contact Program chairman Jeremy Hoffman - jhoffman@crewtech.com , if you would like to target a particular meeting, be sure to make your reservation early. We do have a limit of four spaces available for Table Tops in a standard meeting room and 10 if we have a double room.

 

Table Tops are an opportunity to promote your company, products, or services to all attendees of our regular chapter meeting during the social hour. There is a maximum of 20 minutes for Table Top presentation at a regular Chapter meeting. You have the floor for maximum of five minutes after dinner before the speaker to communicate to the entire group if there are four presenters. If there is a greater demand, the 20 minutes will be divided by the number of presenters and rounded down to the nearest 30 seconds.

 

The Table Top presentations are FREE, one time, to new members, and cost current Indianapolis Chapter members only $75. Non-members get the same opportunity for $125. A 30 by 60 table with a cover and skit will be included. All proceeds go to support the Chapter. Payment is due at the time of setup.

Another opportunity for a Table Top is during an Education Seminar. The cost is if you combine it with the Chapter meeting and Education Seminar the cost would be $100 for current members and $150 for non-members.

If you would like to schedule a Table Top for a future meeting or seminar, contact:

 

Kent A. Hughes RA CDT - American Structurepoint

khughes@structurepoint.com - 317.690.5820

 

Be sure to put 'Table Top Request in the subject line

Tegularity
Sheldon Wolfe, RA, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, CSC
 
As part of an update of approved abbreviations, my office changed its long-standing ACB (acoustic ceiling board) to ACT (acoustic ceiling tile). Before coming to this office I had always seen ACT, and it took a bit of time to get accustomed to ACB. No one knows where this unusual abbreviation came from, but it is the more logical of the two, as it includes both acoustic ceiling tile and acoustic ceiling panels. Still, it was decided to change from ACB to ACT because ACB is unusual. I doubt many contractors will ask an architect, "What's ACT?" but it has not been uncommon for contractors, subs, or suppliers to ask us what ACB is.

The change reminded me of a discussion at a CSI technical committee meeting many years ago when we discussed correct terminology for SpecText. It also brought to mind a similar discussion on LinkedIn, which opened with the question, '"Ceiling TILE" or Ceiling "PANEL" -- What's the correct usage?' At the time of the former discussion I thought, as many do, that ceiling tile is 12 inches square, while ceiling panels are 24 by 24, or 24 by 48 inches. That belief lingers on, and appeared in the LinkedIn discussion.

One of the difficult things about specifying ceiling panels or tiles is the inconsistency of manufacturers' literature. It appears that the only commonly used standard is ASTM E1264 - Standard Classification for Acoustical Ceiling Products, which defines both acoustical panel and acoustical tile.

3.2.1 acoustical panel-a form of a prefabricated sound absorbing ceiling element used with exposed suspension systems.

3.2.2 acoustical tile-a form of a prefabricated sound absorbing ceiling element used with concealed or semi-exposed suspension systems, stapling, or adhesive bonding.

Although E1264 defines panels and tiles, those terms often are used interchangeably. Note that neither definition refers to size or shape, the distinction being based entirely on how the acoustic boards are suspended. In fact, dimensions are not referred to in the standard, nor is configuration; the panels or tiles can be any size, and they don't have to be square.

Even though the meanings of the terms panel and tile are clarified, E1264 is a surprisingly complicated standard. In addition to the two definitions above, it specifies fifteen Types (I through XIV, plus Type XX), some of which have three or four Forms, thirteen patterns (A through L, plus Z), flame spread classifications, and several edge designs: butt, reveal, kerfed and rabbeted, square, and beveled. Despite the inclusion of so many characteristics, the standard remains vague, using imprecise terms such as "large holes," "small holes," "lightly textured," and "heavily textured."
In practice, the complexity of E1264 is rarely, if ever, invoked. Drawings typically show ceiling panel and tile dimensions, and finish schedules and specifications typically define other characteristics by specifying specific manufacturers and model numbers, so there is no need to understand all the details of E1264.

We use standards to improve consistency and to minimize confusion. While I don't think anyone is going to have a problem with this specific item, applying the same logic to an entire project is bound to cause problems. For example, and this is an all too common problem, the same material may be identified by different terms in the same set of documents. Why can't the design intent be expressed using accepted definitions and standards?

On a related topic, what's a tegular edge? Going back to the CSI committee meeting I mentioned before, we found that it's a term perhaps first used by Armstrong for a specific edge detail. Armstrong defines tegular as "A functional edge detail that allows a suspended ceiling panel to extend below the grid, making the grid less noticeable." I don't believe Certainteed, National Gypsum, or USG use that term, though Rockfon does. And yet, I often see "tegular edge" used as if it applies to all acoustic ceiling manufacturers, probably because it sounds cooler than reveal edge. Those who use the term don't always know what it means; if I say, "Do you mean a reveal edge?" the response is often, "No, tegular."

By the way, tegular is a real word, meaning "pertaining to or resembling a tile." According to A.Word.A.Day (highly recommended!), they etymology of tegular is:

"From Latin tegula (tile), from tegere (to cover). Ultimately from the Indo-European root (s)teg- (to cover), which is also the source of thatch, deck, detect, stegosaur, tog, and protege. Earliest documented use: 1828."

That makes the way it's used a bit odd, as it doesn't describe the panel itself, which resembles a tile. Instead, it is used to describe only the edge, which does not resemble a tile. To say it pertains to a tile means nothing, as all edges of a panel or tile obviously are related to the tile.

The first definition of tile is usually something like "a thin slab of hard material such as baked clay laid in rows to cover walls, floors, and roofs." A couple of ceramic tile reps insist that the stuff they sell is the tile, and that what goes on ceilings is something else, but not tile. Finally, tegular comes from tegula, which, in construction, means roof tile. (See "Imbrex and tegula" in Wikipedia.) Apparently, some ceiling tile looks like roof tile.

Using a defined term is always the way to go, assuming the term is defined in an accepted standard. ASTM E1264 shows a detail of a reveal edge, and most manufacturers use that term. They often modify it with beveled, angled, square, wide, and narrow, but it remains a reveal edge. In this case, ignoring the standard definitions has resulted in a bit of potential confusion, but widespread use of tegular has essentially created a new standard term.
If the suppliers know the specifiers are using terms interchangeably they won't assume that either is used correctly, and if it appears to specifiers that suppliers don't care, well... I guess it all works out.

2016, Sheldon Wolfe, RA, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, CSC

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Quiz Answers:

1. - a (AIA, A201, 9.10.4)
2. - c (PDPG 11.3.19.4)
3. - c (PDPG 13.6.3.1)
4. - c (MasterFormat 2004)
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