THE TTALK QUOTES 

On Global Trade & Investment

 

Published Three Times a Week By

The Global Business Dialogue, Inc.

Washington, DC   Tel: 202-463-5074

Email: Comments@gbdinc.org

 

No. 22 of 2015 

FRIDAY, MARCH 27, 2015      

 

   

Filed from Portland, Oregon  

     

Click here for Monday's quote GIs from Shawna Morris


AMERICA AND THE GIs JUGGERNAUT

"So we're just saying, let us in the room [for the upcoming WIPOS Diplomatic Conference on the Lisbon Agreement.]"

George York
March 18, 2015
COMMENT I
When it comes to Geographical Indications or GIs, the European Union has been stunningly successful in its efforts - primarily through trade agreements - to gain broader recognition for their relative new, sui generis system for protecting them.  The United States on the other hand is playing defense, and it is not easy.  Whether your game is tennis or football (American or other), the advantage is always with the offense.  In some respects, the situation regarding the Lisbon Agreement is a bit fuzzy.  Still, the fact that a United States has to make this kind of request - "Let us in the room" - speaks volumes, especially as there is no assurance that the response will be positive.
CONTEXT
George York is the Deputy Assistant U.S. Trade Representative in USTR's Office of Intellectual Property and Innovation.  On March 18, Mr. York was the first presenter at GBD's public event on GI's, What's in a Name: Geographical Indications, Trade Agreement, and Product Names in Global Commerce. 

He defined GIs.  "Basically, a GI is a name of a product, protected by intellectual property rights, that associates a certain characteristic or quality with a geographic place."

He had some fun. "Would I get to see the secret formula for Coke?" he quipped, in talking about his expectations for his current position.  Well, no. "But, you know," he said, "it turns out that GIs [are] every bit as exciting, every bit as sensitive, and every bit as complex of an issue [as] anything else we deal with in the [IPR] space."

He talked about the protection of GIs in the United States. "We in the United States protect GIs," he said.  "We protect GIs through our trademark system."  Later he noted that "Parmiggianno-Reggiano has something like 18 trademarks in the U.S."

He talked about some U.S. objectives.  "We're trying to get our feta into the European market. We're trying to get our parmesan into the European Market," he said.

He talked about the tensions, the fact that there are strong passions about GIs, both in Europe and the U.S.,with disagreements that are hard to bridge.

He talked about the search for common ground.  Obviously, if there is to be a successful Transatlantic Trade and Investment or T-TIP agreement, the differences over GIs will have to be worked out.  That, at any rate seems to be the view of both the U.S. and EU negotiators.   Mr. York's more immediate concern, however, was next month's Diplomatic Conference at the World Intellectual Property Organization in Geneva.  That has the goal of expanding the scope of the Lisbon Agreement on Appellations of Origin.  The expectation is that the conference will enlarge the scope of the agreement by including Geographical Indications as well as other appellations of origin.  

As we understand it, the problem for the U.S. is that such an expansion could jeopardize U.S. exports of common name products like parmesan in markets where they are currently accepted.  Congress has weighed in quite heavily on this issue.  Eight key Congressional leaders wrote to the Director-General of WIPO, Francis Gurry, in February, and we highlighted the issue and their letter in the TTALK Quote for March 12.

The issue is a little fuzzy because, although the United States is a member of WIPO, it is a not a member of the Lisbon Agreement.  So, the obvious question is, Does the U.S. have a right to demand a seat at the table?  Mr. York addressed that question twice, first in his opening remarks and then in the Q&A.  Here are excerpts from each.

From George York's Opening Remarks:

"[W]e're currently negotiating in the WIPO, World Intellectual Property Organization, a negotiation on the Lisbon Agreement, an agreement that's been around for over 50 years, that protects something called appellations of origin, which are sort of like a GI but more strenuous in terms of the standards to apply.  That's currently being renegotiated to include geographical indications.

And the United States and 160 other members of WIPO are being excluded from that negotiation.  They are being prevented from participating in a WIPO negotiation, [even though] they are members of WIPO.  ...

"[T]hat is completely inconsistent with practice - 25 years of practice at WIPO.  So, we're just saying, let us in the room.  This is an issue of great trade, commercial, intellectual, and I must say some passion here in the United States as well.  And it is an issue of great Congressional concern."  



From Mr. York's response to a question:

The questioner asked what the U.S. objective was with respect to the upcoming Lisbon Agreement negotiations in the World Intellectual Property Organization.  In responding, Mr. York said:

"With respect to the WIPO Lisbon Agreement negotiations, there is currently a diplomatic conference scheduled for May. It is currently closed to all WIPO members [except] for parties to the Lisbon Agreement, 28 members." 

[There have been multiple diplomatic conferences in WIPO over the past twenty-five years, Mr. York said, dealing with various agreements.  Those conferences have all been open to all WIPO members, even though the parties to the specific agreements represented, in each case, only part of the larger WIPO membership.  He said...]

"That has been true, for example, for:

the WIPO Copyright Treaty,

the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty,

the recent WIPO Visually Impaired Persons Treaty, [and]

the recent Beijing Audio-Visual Performances Treaty. 

"So there, not all WIPO members were parties to the underlying treaty but all members were allowed to these revisions, updates, other sort of extensions of these agreements.   This is a departure.  ...

"Specifically to your question, the U.S. request is that the United States and all WIPO members be permitted to join the negotiations on equal footing, that is, [on] the same basis on which the WIPO Lisbon members themselves are participating in the negotiations. 

"Let's rejoin the precedent in history and long tradition of inclusiveness at WIPO."

COMMENT  II
GIs may seem like small potatoes against the backdrop of the giant slices of the global economy that are being negotiated in TTIP and TPP.   Our view is that they are a big issue, one whose importance is likely to grow over time.  Companies care about trademarks, and the issue of language is even more fundamental.  For that reason and others, there are bound to be several more entries on this topic.  After all, we have barely scratched the surface of GBD's own relatively short program, let alone the larger topic.

With more to come, we have no new comment for this space, but it is worth reinforcing the initial point.  It is hard to win on defense.  America needs Trade Promotion Authority, TPA, and then the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, TPP, so that the world will see that the U.S. is indeed a serious player in the vital game of trade agreements.  And in TPP the U.S. will need some strong language on GIs if it has any hope of defending its interests in other forums.
SOURCES & LINKS

George York on GIs is a link to the audio recording of Mr. York's presentation at GBD's discussion of the GI issue on March 18. 


On the GBD Site is a link to the welcome page of the GBD website, which itself includes links to MP3 recordings with all of the presentations from GBD's March 18 event, including the Question-and-Answer session.  


Regarding the Lisbon Agreement takes you to the TTALK Quote for March 12.  This entry, which focused on a letter from Congressional leaders to the Director General of WIPO deals with the same issue highlighted by Mr. York above, namely the ability of the United States to participate effectively in next month's WIPO conference, when the issue will be the status of GIs in WIPO's Lisbon Agreement on Appellations of Origin. 


Dairy Exporters and TPP.  On March 19, dairy producers from the United States, Australia, and New Zealand sent a letter to their negotiators, urging them to include language on GIs in the final TPP agreement.  The link takes you to a page on the website of the U.S. Dairy Exports Council with information on this letter and a link to the letter itself.  

SUBSCRIBE
If you want to receive these TTALK Quotes, we're happy to send them to you.  That's the deal.  If you want to help and ensure that they keep coming, please


SUBSCRIBE NOW
It's just $50 a year.  Click here and you' re done.

Buy Now
Thank you.

Note: GBD Members are already subscribers and we thank them for their membership and support.

 

 

 

 

TO GET THE TTALK DAILY QUOTE IN YOUR INBOX

 

Or Other GBD Notices, Click below. 

Join Our Mailing List

 

© 2015 The Global Business Dialogue, Inc.

1140 Connecticut Ave., NW, Suite 950

Washington, DC   20036

Tel: (202) 463-5074

R. K. Morris, Editor

www.gbdinc.org