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Project Fellow Weekly -  Issue 230           

WHAT'S THE LAW 

  

 

 
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Bar Mitzvah Ticket
Izzy Freedman scheduled a Bar Mitzvah event for his son Moshe in Flatbush, NY for the week of the 18th of Adar I. Months in advance, Izzy's brother Baruch purchased tickets from Tel Aviv to NYC to attend the family simcha.

One month before the event, Izzy realized that the Bar Mitzvah should have been scheduled for Adar II - a month later.

Izzy requested that Baruch change the ticket and promised to cover the difference in price. Changing the ticket cost Baruch an additional four hundred dollars. Baruch billed it on his credit card and sent Izzy the "invoice."

In the meantime Izzy deposited $1300 in Baruch's US account, after deciding to surprise Baruch by covering the cost of the entire ticket.
 
 
Under what circumstances may Izzy do this?


What is the Law?
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Grandma's Gracious Gift

Grandma Weinstein of Noyes Drive, Silver Spring MD, was elated that her granddaughter Elaine was heading for Israel during her midwinter vacation.

Elaine was artistic, had a penchant for history and was mathematically inclined so studying for her Masters as a historic preservationist was right up her alley. She worked long and hard hours to succeed in her studies. The upcoming trip provided her time to rejuvenate emotionally and spark her spirituality.

When Elaine told Grandma that she planned on going to the Dead Sea, Grandma requested that Elaine bring back 12 lbs of Dead Sea salt for her to relieve her ailments and replenish her skin. "Give me the bill, Elaine and I'll pay you back honey."

Elaine was overjoyed at the opportunity to do something for Grandma.

Elaine returned with the salt, presented Grandma with a $48 bill.

Grandma graciously wrote her out a $100 check.


What is the Law?
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The Answer:

Izzy may not accept the gift. Instead, Baruch should give the gift a little while after he pays for the transfer-fee. (Of course, the motivation for the gift may never be because of the loan) (See Detailed Explanation).

Similarly, Elaine may not accept a gift from Grandma at the time that Grandma is repaying her for the loan. If Grandma wishes to "Grandma gift" Elaine she should do so a little while after she repays the loan.

Nevertheless, Grandma may pay Elaine for the delivery service when she is repaying the loan.


It's a Gift!
When may a borrower give a gift while repaying the loan? 

Background
1. It is biblically forbidden for the borrower/lender to arrange to gift the lender on account of the loan, from the onset of the loan or while filing for an extension of the loan term. Beis Din will compel the lender to return the gift.

2. Gifting the lender together with the payment without having prearranged to do so constitutes rabbinic avak ribbis. It is the lender's moral responsibility to return the gift. Beis Din will not interfere.

3. Gifting the lender while the loan is still unpaid (not pre-arranged), according to Sha"ch constitutes rabbinic avak ribbis. It is the lender's moral responsibility to return the gift. Beis Din will not interfere.

4. Gifting the lender shortly after the loan was paid could constitute rabbinic ribbis me'ucheres. While it may not be done, there is no moral responsibility for the lender to return it.

May the borrower claim that the gift is not because of the loan?

Generally we do not trust that the borrower is being honest with him/herself. More often than not, at least subconsciously the sudden motivation to gift one's lender is a means of placating the borrower's feelings of subservience generated by the lender having extended the borrower credit. Thus, it is generally forbidden to pay interest on a loan even if the borrower were to claim that it was just a gift.

Are there times when circumstances indicate that the gift was indeed genuine and not because of the loan?

Would a gift under such conditions be permissible?

Yes and No.

I. Let us begin with gifts given while the loan is outstanding.
Note: More leniencies exist when the gifts are being given before the loan is paid than while the loan is being paid.

[1. Minute gifts which are generally deemed insignificant like returning a loaf of bread which is a slightly larger than the one borrowed are permitted. This is true even while paying back the loan as well. But of course, the reason for gifting the slightly larger loaf cannot be because of the loan
[Y.D. 162: Rema 1].

]יֵשׁ מִי שֶׁאוֹמֵר, דְּמֻתָּר לִלְוֹת כִּכַּר לֶחֶם בְּכִכַּר לֶחֶם, כְּמַטְבֵּעַ שֶׁל כֶּסֶף, דְּמֵאַחַר דְּדָבָר מֻעָט הוּא, לֹא קָפְדֵיבְּנֵי אָדָם לַהֲדָדֵי בָּזֶה.
2. Patterns of giving and taking of medium size gifts among friends irrespective of outstanding loans indicate that even while outstanding loans exist between them, the gifts are due to the friendship and not the loan per se' [Sh"ach Y.D 166:1] .
אבל להשאילו כליו או בהמתו וכי האי גוונא מותר אםהיה משאילו בלאו הכי

3. However, unreasonably significant gifts (which are public in nature) can pose two potential issues and as a result are generally prohibited to transfer while outstanding loans exist between friends.

Examples include but are not limited to the borrower allowing the lender to live rent-free in the borrower's home.

1) With regards to unreasonably significant gifts, there is no pre-existing pattern of gifting between the two parties. There is reason to believe that the present loan is the underlying motivation for the significant gift.

2) Even if the significant gift is legitimately due to the friendship rather than the loan, it raises the eyebrows of onlookers. It appears to the public who may not be aware of the relationship between the two, that a gift (which is public in nature) was given because of a loan between the two.

As such, when there is a publicly known positive relationship (i.e. parents, grandparents, children) between the borrower and the lender and there is a pattern of giving significantly, we can trust that the motivation for the gift is not due to the loan, but due to the relationship and there is no risk as well in other's misunderstanding the motivation.

Thus, under such circumstances a significant gift may be given while the loan is still unpaid, provided that the motive indeed is not because of the loan.

As we will see below, this is not the case when gifting together with payment of the loan.

(Note: Rosh and Maharshal differ when there is a pattern of giving but not everyone is aware of the relationship.)


II. Gifts at the time of Payment
It is rabbinically forbidden to accept a gift even if it was unsolicited from the onset of the loan at the time of payment. It constitutes avak ribbis and mechezei k'ribbis.

Even if there is pattern of giving medium size gifts between the two parties irrespective of the loan, it is forbidden to accept such a gift while being paid for the loan.

Certainly it is forbidden to receive large public gifts while being paid for the loan.

What about if the borrower is a known close family member (i.e. parent, grandparent) to the public and there exists a pattern of giving significant gifts irrespective of the loan; is it permitted to receive such a significant gift from the known relative when while receiving the payment for the loan?

Shulchan Aruch HaRav writes categorically that gifts are forbidden to be accepted while receiving payment for the loan even from people who generally would give irrespective of the loan. 

He makes no mention of a scenario where the relationship is known to all as Sha"ch does when accepting a significant gift before the loan payment from one who's relationship is known to all.

It is permitted for a borrower to pay a lender for delivery services involved in procuring the loan or purchased merchandise [See Pischei Teshuva Y.D. 168-169: 4].

Dayan Chaim Kohn rules that the Halacha is indeed as Shulchan Aruch HaRav writes that any gift given while paying the loan appears like ribbis and is forbidden, even from people who otherwise gift irrespective of the loan , unless it is apparent the family member is gifting the gift for a specific reason, like paying for the delivery service.

III. Gifts after the Loan is Paid
It is forbidden to accept a gift shortly after receiving the debt payment whereby it looks as though the gift was given because of the loan even if the borrower does not express that the loan was the motive.

For one who would regularly give a gift irrespective of the loan, it is forbidden to give an unusually large or public gift; one which would raise eyebrows and cause people to suspect that the gift was motivated by the loan.

One may accept a gift if there is a significant time span between the payment of the loan and the subsequent gift, whereby people would not view the gift to be related to the loan provided that the borrower does not convey or intend to gift it because of the loan.

Application                                               
 
Bar Mitzvah Tickets:
Baruch asked Izzy to change his ticket for him and promised to cover the cost.

The loan begins with the swipe of the card. The payment of the loan is when Baruch pays Izzy for the cost of the transfer fee.

For Baruch to subsequently decide to pay for the entire airline tickets from TLV to NYC is a significant gift.

Arguably, we can assume that there is no pattern of giving such significant gifts between brother-in-laws. As such, Izzy may not accept the gift if Izzy already paid his AMEX "transfer fee" bill (unless of course, there is a pattern of sorts).

To subsequently gift the entire cost of the ticket as long as the loan is unpaid is forbidden. The same would certainly be true while paying for the transfer fee.

Instead, he would have to wait a significant period of time to gift him the full cost of the ticket. Such a move would not be misconstrued as though the gift was because Izzy loaned money to Baruch.

Grandma's Gracious Gift:
Elaine as well, may not accept the gift from Grandma.

Why not?

Isn't it commonplace for grandparents to gift grandchildren irrespective of any loan? Perhaps. But that does not sanction receiving a gift while being paid for the loan.

It would be permitted though, to accept the extra gift, if Grandma would convey that the extra gift is a payment for the delivery service Elaine provided (If the gift is a reasonable payment for such a service).  

Note:
 
Although we aim to present the correct ruling, varying details are always important and decisively influence every individual case. Our readers are thus encouraged to present their personal cases to a competent authority and not solely rely on the information provided.  

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