Twenty Count: An Interview with Donata Ahern
Have you been aware of nature spirits for most of your life?
Yes, to some extent. I've always been drawn to nature, and am fortunate that my childhood was spent in the country, where I could roam freely. We were in an isolated area, so I had no neighborhood friends. My friends were the animals and trees. I've always had a deep nurturing connection to trees! I moved to a home in the woods of Western New York in the early 80s. The nature spirits of the woods soon introduced themselves and became an active part of my life. Friends also heard them drumming and saw them when we did ceremony among the trees.
I've been drawn to the Medicine Wheel from childhood It became a serious study over 25 years ago. At that time I became aware of my Animal Guides, especially Coyote and Wolf. They have guided me steadily and generously ever since.
How were you introduced to Mayan spirituality?
I came across a book about 18 years ago that presented a different form of the Medicine Wheel, using numbers. This was my introduction to the Twenty Count. Later I found it referenced as the Child's Count, which is an ancient Mayan teaching tool.
In the mid 90s I was approached online by the hereditary High Priestess of the Mayan Temple of the Deer, who asked me if I would like to study with her. This came at a perfect time for me! I had just completed my shamanic apprenticeship (which taught yet another form of the Medicine Wheel) so had the time and desire to dedicate to this study. She no longer offers teachings, so this was a synchronistic opportunity. I studied with her, with amazing lessons and experiences.In 2001 she invited me to come to Mexico for Initiation into the Temple as a Priestess. That was a transformative journey, only a week after 9/11. We stayed in a small complex in the jungle, and did ceremony in ancient Mayan ruins and by an amazing waterfall. My shamanic totem Jaguar roared at night, we were surrounded by vivid colored birds and flowers - it was intense and overwhelming.
The Temple of the Deer teachings are deceptively simple, very shamanic in their worldview, and profoundly transformative when lived daily. Basically the teachings are summed up as living in total honesty and impeccability; humility which leads to service to others; respect for all beings, which requires a non-judgmental attitude; and an openness of heart expressed as compassion.
In addition we support a Mayan teacher financially who trains children in the old ways, and teaches people to be Day Keepers of the calendar. We've benefited as he shared lessons on the Mayan calendar with us.
You've recently published a book called "The Medicine Wheel: Path of the Heart". What is the medicine wheel?
A long answer! From the book:
"Medicine" means "power" This is your personal energy, and how you use it for your own good, and the good of others.
The Medicine Wheel is a symbol of your life, with birth in the East, adulthood in the South, maturity in the West, and Elderhood, or old age, in the North. It can also be a symbol of the life of your organization or business, or any project, from its inception, to its maturity, and its established stage of recognition and leadership.
The Medicine Wheel is a circle made of stones. It can be large or small - the size doesn't matter. The Wheel represents the universe. All beings, humans, animals, plants and trees, are represented on it. The center of the Wheel is the place of Great Mystery, the Creator, God or God/Goddess, Source, Great Spirit, or by any other name you choose that expresses this sense of the creative energy and wonder of the universe. Each stone on the rim of the Medicine Wheel is equal-distant from the Center. This illustrates the equality of all beings.Each being, mineral, plant, animal, and human, shares in the universal energy, the Life Force that animates us all. This is a major difference in the shamanic worldview from that of western modern societies. When you recognize that we're all one, all related, you don't see one life form as superior to another; only different in its expression of the one energy of the universe.
The Medicine Wheel, when fully built, takes the form of an encircled cross. The encircled cross is a universal symbol found among the indigenous earth-oriented peoples of the world. It is common to the Celts, to other European peoples and their descendants anywhere who practice any form of Wicca, or Paganism, and to the Native peoples of the Americas. It is a common symbol among shamanic peoples worldwide.
The circle represents the earth, which is seen as a round sphere. Ancient peoples knew the earth is round by simply looking at the horizon, and watching the apparent movement of the stars in a great circle overhead. The cross within the circle represents the solstices and the equinox. This is a way to order and understand the world. The encircled cross developed as a means of ordering and understanding the world by dividing it into quarters along the horizon, usually based on astronomical observations of the solstices and the equinoxes. This helps you to understand your space. The quarters are assigned to the four cardinal directions, and these in turn, represent times of the day, of the seasons of the year, and of a person's life. There is a remarkable agreement on the meanings found in the encircled cross all around the world in most cultures. The Medicine Wheel is truly a multi-cultural image.
What is 20 count?
The 20 Count, or Child's Count, is an ancient Mayan teaching tool. It teaches the story of creation, and illuminates our own lives. My book expands on the 20 Count and adapts it in a personal way to be a guide in our lives. 0 through 10 is:
0 is Center, the place of Great Mystery and the Child's Fire. The Child's Fire corresponds to the heart chakra, each person's center. Thus, the place of Great Mystery (God/Creator) and the personal center are the same on the Wheel. Thus we are part of Great Mystery and Great Mystery is within us.
1 is the Sun and Fire in the East - place of determining, or choice.
2 is the Earth, in the West - place of the Body, and reflecting.
3 is the Moon and Water, in the South - place of the emotions, and of giving
4 is the Planets, Stars, and Air in the North - place of air, the mind, gathering wisdom.
5 is south of Center, and is the Human Family (all races)
6 is the place of Childhood, learned beliefs, Ancestors at south east.
7 is dreams and goals, at south west
8 is cause and effect, as in karma
9 is purposeful movement
10 north of Center is the Great Family (humans, animals, plants, minerals - all beings)
I meditated with the Medicine Wheel and Child's Count for years, and developed a personal understanding of 0-10 as a practical and useful method to aid with spiritual growth and daily mundane problems and questions.
11-20 is my own interpretation of the expansion, or higher octave, of 1-10. This is not based on traditional teachings. I wasn't able to find information for 11-20, so I allowed my meditations with the Medicine Wheel to become my teacher.
Is it related to Mayan spirituality?
The 20 Count or Child's Count grew out of Mayan spirituality. It is a system of dots and lines, drawn on the ground, to teach children the deeper truths. It has universal application and is not tied to one culture or path. Anyone can find it helpful.
How did you create a divination system based on these teachings?
As I wrote the book I meditated on each number. These meditations are an integral part of the book. It was a logical step to create a daily guide based on the Count. I first developed a pack of cards to represent 1-20, with a blank card for 0. I later developed a set of 21 small wooden disks (20 + 0) that can be tossed or pulled like runes. Both systems are helpful as a guide. You can randomly choose a card or disk daily as daily guidance. You may also use either as a divination system to illuminate the patterns in your life, and to offer options for positive change. Both methods tap into the universal deep wisdom of the Medicine Wheel, and can aid anyone on a spiritual or personal growth path. Others have also found them profound and helpful.
How is this type of divination performed?
1-3 cards can be pulled for yes/no answers or daily guidance. They can also be laid out in the basic Medicine Wheel form of the encircles cross, one for Center, and one in each of the cardinal directions (5 altogether). In this method the querent examines each card in a particular quarter for guidance that corresponds to their personal life: East, fire, will - creativity and clarity, the place of choice. West, earth, the physical, body - health, intuition, place of going within, reflecting. South, water, emotions - place of giving, thus a place to check how we serve others, if we take care of ourselves as well, how we express/deny our emotions, etc. North, air, mind - place of gathering in wisdom - learning, organizing - also the place of the Buffalo Nation, the great providers, so the place of abundance, gathering in the material as well as the wisdom of the other directions.
The disks are a recent development. So far, for myself or others, I've pulled 1-3 disks, and tossed them onto a cloth representing the Medicine Wheel Shield (on the cover of the book). I notice where a disk falls, and interpret it accordingly. More disks can be pulled if greater clarity is needed, though in my experience 3 is usually enough. The circles of the Shield allow for a more expansive or deeper interpretation than a simple Medicine Wheel cloth.
Both methods have a universal application, as do the Tarot and I Ching. Anyone can benefit from them. They are separate from the book. Currently the disks are available only from me.
Can it help promote physical or emotional healing?
The Oracle,whether in card or disk form, reflects the current state of the querent, and may clarify their current patterns of behavior and belief and offer options for positive change. The choice, of course, is up to the querent. The Oracles do not determine or cause any outcome - in this regard they are similar to a weather forecast that shows the likely future based on the present, but in no way cause it.
Anyone who chooses to work with the Medicine Wheel and meditate with it can definitely advance their physical and emotional healing, on the spiritual and mundane levels.
The Medicine Wheel system is in no way in conflict with any other spiritual path. It is a universal system that is complementary with all spiritual paths.
Can this type of divination be used to assist groups of people?
Yes, the Medicine Wheel itself and the MW Oracle can be used as a practical application for use in organizational or business problem solving, which can improve the physical and emotional well being of both the individuals working there or the overall organization. Again, this approach is one of personal empowerment and growth, not one that is specifically spiritual, and not one to use to control or dominate. It can be viewed solely as a practical tool, and worked with successfully that way. The application of the 20 Count for business is outlined in my book, not as a divination system, but as a practical tool, including helpful exercises. The 20 Count Medicine Wheel Oracle can be adapted for any purpose - individual, groups, organizations and businesses.
It will be 2012 in a few years. Do you ever do readings concerning the destiny of humanity?
That's more global than I care to do! Individuals can change their own lives. We are all connected on the web of life, and thus, if a critical mass of humans awakens to their inherent spiritual being this will cause a shift in global consciousness. I do readings to help and guide an individual or organization. I firmly believe that anything that benefits the spiritual development of one person aids in planetary growth. Whatever energy each one of us sends out on the web of life, whether forgiveness and compassion, or hate and vengeance, circles the planet and benefits or hinders all of us. This is a universal belief found in all spiritual paths.
Thank you for sharing your insights with all of us. How can people find out more about your work?
I'm available to present workshops on the Medicine Wheel, and the Path of the Heart. I've presented workshops regularly since 1990 in the US and Canada and gave the keynote speech, on the Medicine Wheel, at Druidcon in Glasgow in 1995.
For more information see my
website.
My book is available through www.Amazon.com or www.Lulu.com Paperback is $19.98 USD, and download of e-book (Lulu only) is $9.98 USD
Thank you for this opportunity to share something of the Medicine Wheel with your readers!
Donata Ahern/ Ixchell (my Mayan name - goddess of the Moon & Healing)