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Sept 8, 2011: Volume 12, Number 22


To Skate or Classic?


I enjoy all of your postings. I recently took a nasty spill on my bicycle and had to have right AC shoulder surgery on Aug 15.    The rehab process is lengthy; 12-16 weeks.  I should be ok for skiing when the snow flies here, thankfully.   My question is, does skate skiing or classic skiing put more strain on the shoulder?   I'm a 52 year old wave 6 birkie skier who has skated the last 6 birkies and am wondering if this is a good year to work on the classic technique.  Another reason i wonder about switching is I seem to have a bad tumble going downhills at the Birkie every year after hitting a patch of ice.   With slower downhill speeds, I wonder if I'll be less apt to fall using a classic technique.

thanks, M



You have a good question and you may have to do some trial and error analysis to find the best answer.  Having coached multiple skiers through joint repair and reconstruction rehab, the one thing in common is individuality.  Individuality in the altered joint structure as well as the muscle mass supporting the joint.  Your best starting point is to show the PT or orthopedic specialist guiding your regular rehab the motions you use in skiing, and determine which of those best agree with your shoulder condition.  Ski coaches can help you get better on skis, while the medical professionals are better qualified for fixing the body you so it with.    


One thing you may have to do, regardless of guidance or chosen ski-technique, is to find out which motions are most agreeable or create the least amount of discomfort, and slowly expand from there.  In principal, classic, diagonal skiing uses the basic arm motions parallel with the body as in walking or running.  You should with relative ease be able to find your agreeable range of motion, confidence- and comfort level.  Skating techniques use more deltoid lift and higher, outward shoulder rotation, which may agree differently with your shoulder mechanics.  In any event, you ought to consult your shoulder specialist, accept a period with trial and error and proceed with caution.  On the upside, you will get better and this is an excellent time to practice all the drills without poles.  


As for falling on the Birkie downhills, I do not believe either of the techniques, hence conditions and ski equipment, are better or worse than the other.  Practice downhills, be careful, gain confidence which will help you accept a reasonable level of  risk.  The best of luck!


Sincerely,  Jon Engen

3 Time Olympian







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Hi Ski Post,


You had a recommendation for Start Tar in dry powdery snow.   My number one use for the barbeque sauce of the world of kick wax is in falling snow with high humidity with  temps of 20+F.  Normally these conditions drive most coaches and skiers totally nuts.


My favorite is Terva Viisi (Tar 5 in English) or Terva Nolla  (Tar Zero) or a mixture of both to fine tune the kick a temps just below 0 C.    My buddy LC and I used this recipe at the USA Masters Nationals at West Yellowstone in 2000 with excellent results (1 gold & 1 silver).  The temps were in the mid 20's and it was snowing steadily.  We had fantastic grip going up, and the skis were equally slick on the down hills.  I have used it on many other occasions with the same happy results. 





 Yes Start tar can be used in high humidity conditions but it stands alone in lower to medium humidity conditions that is to say below 75%.  But a West Yellowstone high humidity day seldom reaches 75%.

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