I have been pine taring my wood skis since 1978. About 15 years ago my old can of pine tar from the 1970s ran out & I bought a can of SWIX pine tar & have nothing but problems w/ getting the stuff to stay on the bottom of my skis. I remove the wax, put on the tar, torch it in, wipe it off, sometimes I reapply & re-torch in more, the tar coating on parts of the ski appears to have a candy coat glazing which comes off on the 1st ski. I've tried lightly sanding the ski w/ fine sand paper before applying the tar. The Swix tar is the torch-in type. Need some advice on how to get the pine tar to stay on. There is not a better kick/glide reaction in the world w/ fresh snow on an established trail than w/ wood bottom skis & wax !!!.
Greetings, this is something I have not heard of before. The only reason that the tar would not create a bond is if there is some kind of foreign material impregnated in the base. I have used tar for many different manufacturers and the SWIX tar has always served to provide the best bond & performance for top layered glide/kick wax. The process that should be followed is this:
1. Steel scrape the bottom to remove any access glide/kick wax
2. Scrub surface with SWIX Base cleaner & SWIX Klister Scrub
3. Wipe surface clean with Fiberlene to remove any additional contaminants
4. Sand entire base to fresh wood with 120 grit sand paper. Either on a block or sheet sander to ensure a flat firm surface
5. Take SWIX Tar and brush an ample coat on the entire ski
- I suggest this is done outside due to fumes and drips
- Also you can heat Tar in a double water boiler to make the product more viscose
6. Then take a torch (SNOW Peak GT100 GIGA Torch is the best) and burn the tar into the ski. This will happen with about 4-6 passes per ski holding the torch about 6" off the skis surface.
7. Allow the ski to cool for about 5 min. Then take a cotton rag and remove any excess tar from the ski.
8. Ideally allow to cool for an additional 1-2 hours.
Although at this point the ski is ready to be skied there is more recommended to the process. To provide a longer life to the ski & the tarred base follow these steps:
1. Take the cooled ski and crayon in a layer of SWIX Polar (V05)
2. Then either iron, hand cork or roto cork smooth.
3. Repeat this 2-3 time from the tip to the tail working in a tip to tail motion. This will provide better glide and the same grip as stand-alone tar but with significantly more durability
4. Then place the SWIX "Kick of the Day" in your kick zone and get out there.
I am avid nordic skier - mostly skate, but moving into classic and will attempt my first classic Birkie in a few weeks. I am starting off with START Grip tape and have enjoyed it mostly. I have a question about the length of grip tape needed. START (Nor Swix) doesn't provide much guidance although they say that the kick zone with grip tape is shorter than the kick zone with kick wax. Do you have any more info to help dial in the right length of grip tape? Regards, Tape On
The crew at GearWest Matt Fox and BK love doing a blended grip tape application...grip tape application youtube video
As for length of the tape, we usually recommend staying within the klister zone. Grip tape is thick like klister and it can drag if you take it out to the end of the hardwax pocket. If you do go longer than your klister pocket, or just for additional speed, you can sprinkle some fluoro powder over the tape and touch it in with a finger. This helps reduce friction, reduces chances for icing and repels dirt.
Hello. I am looking into buying new skate skis and it has been several years since I bought new skis. I would like to learn a little more about the base terminology such as "cold hard", or "warm Medium".
First of all, most skate skis handle a wide variety of snow conditions and fit a wide range of skier abilities and skier weights. The discription below is very generalized.
With top level skis you can get:
1) All-Around, Hard Track, Soft Track-Models. Most brands now offer 2 of these options.
a) All-Around skis are now named all-around but if they are not named Hard Track or Soft Track then they are All-Around and main ski of any brand. These skis also generally come or Warm or Cold options (see below.) For most people these are the first (or only skis) in a skier's quiver. All-around skis can be selected for a skier for all-around, hard track or soft-track conditions by selecting stiffer or softer flexes relative to the skier weight. Most all-around skis can easily be selected to perform well all around and most hard track conditions. But excelling in the dual soft track wet snow conditions (mash potatoes snow) can be a challenge for an all-round ski. So most manufacturers now have "Soft Track" models.
b) These Soft Track models are designed to handle soft snow. They most often have warm bases and structure to excel in in warm soft snow but do great in cold power as well. To accomplish this they have longer glide zones with lower peak pressures and often have tip splay to better float over the snow. Soft track skis are likely the 2nd ski in your quiver.
c) A few brands offer Hard Track specific skis. These generally have very short glide zones with high pressure areas and high cambers that return allot of energy to the skier. Hard Track skis are likely the last ski in your quiver.
2) Warm or Cold
a. For some brands the difference between warm and cold skis in one model may only be in base & structure. These skis will have the same pressure distribution between the two models and will only differ in the ski base and base structure. Warm bases are softer than cold bases matching the characteristics of warm or cold glide waxes.
b. Other brands also have differences in pressure distribution and camber between cold and warm skis. For these models Warm skis will most often have tips that splay (rise) slightly when loads are applied to manage moisture by decreasing suction. Cold skis will have pressure profiles that build over a set area to manage (and sometimes melt) cold snow crystals and most cold snow's firm tracks.
3) Soft-Medium-Stiff: This designation designates the suggested skier weight range that a specific ski model length and layup is engineered for. To go along with the soft, medium or stiff designation each ski brand will provide corresponding fit charts. A 192 medium will be engineered to fit a weight range of skiers say "140-175 lbs". Each ski is manufactured independently and comes out with its own exact flex (closing weight). This individual flex marked in KG on the skis, or measured in a ski shop with a guage, or measured by a skier standing on the ski in a shop, is how the individual ski can be custom selected for a more perfect fit for any one skier from among many skis that fit within the engineered guidelines.
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