"These are the effects that I have witnessed on people who have attended this movement and either have had hands laid on them or claim to have been imparted with 'the spirit': -They come back with this kind of childlike drunken stupor. -Descriptions of a burning sensation either in their veins, heads or stomachs. -Descriptions of being washed back and forth like the waves in the ocean;-Dancing about like drunk--- -Inappropriate yelling and screaming like they're at a football game;-Young men whistling over and over and holding their heads and claiming that they 'feel the Holy Spirit about to split them in two'; - One young man's back two teeth turned completely to some metallic finish.-People with their eyes rolled in the back of their heads and weaving around like they're lost.-Women just gyrating and pulsating like they're being ravaged from behind from some unseen force. -Drunken uncontrollable laughter in the middle of a solemn prayer time--- -People being 'slain in the spirit'--- just falling down and being unable to move (like something's holding them down)."

"He who dwells, not visits, dwells in the abode of God shall be like the Most High in that you will be uppermost, far above, in the highest excellence of anything that you do in your life as supreme ruler in your circumstances. He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High is supreme, far above uppermost, highest heights of heaven, lofty, excellence, overcoming Christian. Are you understanding me?!?"

"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.'"
(Isaiah 14:12-14)

"You see, I want to be fruitful; I want to be far above. I want to be a conqueror; I want to be a mountain of strength; I want to be greatness. You know, we like that word greatness. Well, he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High automatically comes into everything that the Almighty is. It happens."

"But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit."
(Isaiah 14:15)

"Christian apologist Walter Martin classified Swedenborg and his followers among the cults---The difficulty for evangelicals is compounded by Singh's confirmation of contact with Swedenborg in the spirit world. This visionary form of contact with an unorthodox deceased teacher clashes with the portraits of piety drawn by later evangelical biographers."

"So when I need a financial breakthrough I don't just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: 'Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.'"

"Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: 'Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?' He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, 'Bob, who is Emma?' He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, 'Here's Emma.' I'm not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young - about 22 years old - but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life. She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people...Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!--- During this visitation the pastor's wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost - she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them... Then angels started showing up in the church."

"THIS is just the warm up party - for what you shall see in the coming days shall even make these days pale - with what I have up my sleeve. And I tell you my son - that THIS THAT I POUR OUT UPON YOU UPON FLORIDA shall flow to the east."

BELIEVERS IN GRACE MINISTRIES - By Pastor Bill Randles - May 23, 2008

"But there was a certain man called Simon --- claiming that he was someone great, to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying,"this man is the great power of God." And they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries for a long time." Acts 8:9-11

Todd Bentley is great! If you don't believe me just ask the multitudes who have been astonished by the "miraculous revival" in Lakeland Florida! Or just check out the Christian television show "Xtreme Prophetic" featuring Host Patricia King, which I saw on YouTube. Bentley was featured on the show as one of the new prophets of the younger generation. Patricia King the host spoke for many when she proclaimed Todd as an "awesome man of power who is a Seer'. She also announced that Todd has brought "a million people into the Kingdom of God in the last eight years". Todd was guest on the show with his mentor, another great prophet - Bob Jones. His resume was equally impressive- King described Him as "a champion of the Seer realm", and "one of the most accurate of prophets of our generation", and she thanked him for being a "father of the faith", as well as a seer-prophet.

Bentley himself has great reverence for Bob Jones. When Bentley prepares for his yearly visitation of the Lord, to seek what is the Word for the year to come, part of the preparation involves consulting with Jones-"--- needing a clear commission from the Lord concerning direction for the year, I always seek Him about what lies ahead. With that purpose, recently, I asked my friend Bob Jones (a gifted, mature seer- prophet) about what God was saying to him concerning 2008----" Bentley - prophetic word for 2008 www.elijahlist.com

Never mind that Bentley's mentor Bob Jones is a proven False prophet * who was put under discipline for fondling women who came to him for 'prophetic counsel'. When you are GREAT, or you are billed as something like "The Great Power of God" you never have to worry about things like the scriptural warnings to avoid false prophets. Jones' predictions, such as his warning of an immanent earthquake in Los Angeles, back in 1997**, have failed to materialize time after time. Neither does Jones' outrageous doctrine. Jones has taught that "the Government of the earth " shall rest on the shoulders of restored apostles and prophets, that there is a physical "elected seed' out of the bloodlines of Paul, David, Peter and John, who would become the last days Manchild company! Neither doctrinal, nor moral deviations get in the way of the truly GREAT. Only small narrow, religious people worry about such things- Pharisees, nitpickers!

Why worry about Deuteronomy 18, which warns that we are not to fear any prophet who makes predictions in the name of the Lord, which fail to come to pass? Or why worry about Deuteronomy 13:1-3, which warns of the possibility that a prophet could actually perform signs and wonders, yet still be false? The only way to tell would be if the teaching of the prophet led people to follow other gods. Get it? The choice presented by the True God is between Power or Teaching. Another "great prophet" very much esteemed by Bentley, and his mentors, Bob Jones, and Paul Cain, is the late William Branham. Branham's power was Great! He could tell people what their name was, what symptoms they had in their body, and would then pray for healings which actually manifested! It was Great! The only problem was Branham's teaching- he had a few quirks, such as His belief that the doctrine of the Trinity was of the devil, his belief that the zodiac was as valid as the word of God, and his unfortunate belief that he was the Angel of the church of Laodicea! When He died in a headon auto crash in 1965, his followers were so obsessed with his "works of power" they delayed burying him for several months, hoping that he would be resurrected the following Easter! He was that GREAT!

Bentley, Cain, Rick Joyner and the disgraced and discredited Bob Jones*** all admire the false prophet Branham to this day. They saw him as great and wanted to be regarded as the next Great one. The people, who are so enamored by these false prophets, want greatness also, but in a different way. They lust for a "Great showy display of the power of God", their hearts are not right. Like the Samaritans in Acts 8, they are willing to be "astonished" by sorceries, false signs, gold dust, stigmata, etc, because they have departed away from God, and any sense of the truly awesome. Proverbs 9 says, "By the knowledge of the Holy comes understanding". Unfortunately these people have no understanding- listening to Bentley et al, one hears story after story of the varied subjective experiences these Mystics are having-"in the Holy place","under the shepherd's Rod"- yearly appointments with Jesus, of course on the Day of Atonement. As the Samaritans were enamored with Simon the Great, the so called Great power of God, this adulterous generation clamors for and will receive many more, perhaps even more powerful versions of Bentley, Cain, Joyner, Jones, and even Branham, until the coming of the ultimate "Great Man"- the antichrist, himself! The Emphasis is wrongwe are not called to seek greatness or to adulate Great men. When Peter said to Simon Magus, in Acts 8, that he perceived that Simon was "in the gall of bitterness" (see Acts 8:23) he was quoting Moses' warning that idolatry would become a "root of bitterness" to Israel. (Deuteronomy 29:18) Peter saw it also, that this fascination with greatness in men, and lust to see great works of power would be the beginning for the church what idolatry would be for Israel, a root of bitterness defiling many.

Perhaps it is not too late to turn away from this idolatry of greatness and great men, and lust for Great power. The church is actually sick, at least the expression of the church following the "Greatness Movement"- perhaps this sickness will not be unto death, but that even yet there will be a humble turning that God be glorified.

* (As documented in two of my books WEIGHED AND FOUND WANTING and BEWARE THE NEW PROPHETS available at www.believersingrace.citymax.com /page/page/5840987.htm

** cicministry.org/commentary/issue67b.htm

*** whom Joyner took upon himself to re-instate into the ministry after confessing to abuse of his "prophetic gifts" to sexually abuse women

* Emphasis Original

MORIEL MINISTRIES - Commentary by James Jacob Prasch - May 14, 2008

In the character of other counterfeit moves of God that produced no promised revival, the latest lie is from Lakeland, Florida - after the failed promised revivals of Kansas City, Toronto, and Pensacola.

It is more of the same unbiblical doctrine and contra- scriptural practices, manipulation, carnality, demonic influences, counterfeit spirituality, and just plain stupidity in the groove of The Kansas City False Prophets (Mike Bickel, the drunken homosexual Paul Cane, and the sexually immoral Bob Jones), the Toronto Experience (John Arnott, influenced by Rodney Howard Brown via Randy Clark), its American clone, the Pensacola fiasco (John Kilpatrick, Steve Hill), and West Africa's TB Joshua.

No revival came from any of this lunacy, and true revival will not come from Lakeland either for the same reasons - it is not scriptural and not of God.

None of this perverse nonsense has anything to do with a biblical understanding of charismata or Pentecost; the Fruit of the Holy Spirit is 'self control' (egreitei) not the lack of it. As a long list of religious liars and theocratic hooligans promoted the previous counterfeit moves of God arose, so there will be others (and in some cases many of the same clowns) jumping on the Lakeland bandwagon. As there were apologists for the unbiblical con-artistry at Toronto and Pensacola such as Guy Chevreau, Elim's John Lancaster, and Michael Brown, Satan will likewise raise up others to defend Lakeland.

Those who listened to promulgators of the earlier deceptions (such as Wyn Lewis, Colin Dye, Thomas Trask, Gerald Coates, Andrew Evans, Terry Virgo, Pat Robertson, John Glass, Paul Weaver, Andrew Shearman, Rick Godwin, Sandy Miller, David Pytches, Nicky Gumbell, Phil Pringle, Bill Subritzky, Mark DuPont, and others) will without doubt, be sucked in again.

As we witnessed, many of the key proponents of the previous demonic delusions such as Bryn Jones, John Wimber, and UK Assemblies of head honcho Warwick Shenton died in the prime of their years when these earlier spiritual counterfeits they pushed were at their peak, never seeing the promised revival they assured us these con jobs heralded. Others like Elim's Ian Bilby, and the Assemblies of God New Zealand head honcho Wayne Hughes were forced out of the ministry due to moral scandals during their 'revivals that never were'.

Now we have more of the same. The Lakeland idiocy based on 'transference', the unbiblical practice condemned in Exodus 30 of transferring an anointing.

The Lakeland delusion of "Todd" is as spiritually a sick and perverted maelstrom of idiocy as its demonically inspired predecessors in Toronto and Pensacola, from which it is not visibly different and which after all of the big talk, lies, heresy and hype came to absolutely nothing except scandal, producing no biblical revival as the religious liars who promulgated it assured it would.

Lakeland will be no different. It is Sunderland, The Elim Movement, Brownsville, TB Joshua's 'insanity' and other such defiling trash all over again. It is just more of the same style of unadulterated garbage that will only appeal to the same biblically ignorant and undiscerning so called "Christians". It is all a twisted joke that makes Satan laugh as God's judgment looms on a godless planet with a largely backslidden church in these Last Days. There is no euphemism for spiritual quackery, and neither is there a euphemism for the clowns who are willfully conned by it.

The fallen world and unsaved will only laugh and mock, not repent and believe. But just as with Toronto and Pensacola, who can blame them for mocking a mockery? (2 Timothy 4:3-5).

The signs of Christ's return, from natural disasters, crises in The Middle East and the moral breakdown of Western civilization surround us. We observe a satanic rise of Islam assisted by international oil interests, the biased media, a debased academic establishment, and corrupt politicians in Washington, Brussels, and Whitehall and growing persecution of Christians. We are confronted with sign after sign of The Lord's return from the disappearance of democracy in Europe to a backslidden America that has aborted 48 million babies and ordered God out of its schools the 10 Commandments out of its courts. We see an ecumenical acceptance led by Chuck Colson of the harlot church of Rome with its idolatry, necromancy, and false sacramental gospel as 'Christian' while it pays billions in compensation to keep its bishops, cardinals, and hierarchy out of prison for protecting pedophile nuns and priests at the expense of not protecting the children whose lives these evil sex perverts destroy. We see a growing anti Semitism setting the stage for Zechariah chapter 12 and The Battle of Armageddon.

We exist in what is supposedly a world with a scientific world view where the scientific impossibilities of random creation and the undeniable relationship between Darwinism and ethnic cleansing are forcibly ignored because God is so hated that the possibility of their being a God demands that science becomes unscientific.

We have Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Lie misleading The Body of Christ into the Emergent Church Apostasy of Brian McLaren and Dan Kimball. Once respected men of God like Billy Graham place converts into apostate churches, and once biblically evangelical seminaries and bible colleges go down the path of theological liberalism, and Christian publishing companies are now owned by secular conglomerates. We have once respected Christian leader like Ravi Zacharias compromising with the Mormon cult.

We have watched TV money preachers discredit the message of Jesus and prostitute the word of God to line their own pockets with the de facto blessings of theocrats like Jack Hayford. We see economic judgment, environmental judgment, pandemics, and now food shortages.

In the USA, we see sexual perversion taught as normative to little children in classrooms while prayer is banned, and homosexuals and lesbians given the right to adopt babies to bring them to be homosexuals and lesbians in The UK. We see street preachers arrested in Australia for proclaiming the gospel and Islamic savages rioting night after night in Bradford, Sydney, and Paris handed immigration and asylum seeker visas by Western governments owned by the oil industry. We have a president Bush, placing a Koran that states 'God has no Son' in The White House to honor Islam, while a Bible cannot even bought into Saudi Arabia. That wicked son of the devil elected with the support of Evangelical Christians has celebrated Ramadan in The White House every year since 9/11, calling Mohammed 'a prophet', saying "all religions have the same God'.

We now have a divorce rate among Christians as high as among the non-Christians, the genocidal extermination of African Christians by a radical Islam funded by the Saudi Wahabists to whom George Bush and Condoleezza Rice bow the knee continually as they bully Israel to forfeit more of its God given land to Islam. We have a China whose imports flood into the Wal-Marts of America and ASDAs of Britain as our godless leaders ignore the screams of Christians in Chinese prisons for their faith. Money is the only god of corporation, politician, bank, consumer, and tele- evangelist alike.

We have despotic governments from Asia to Southern Africa whose only policy seems to be the extermination of their own people. We have pro partial birth abortion candidates such as Barack Obama running for president while Rick Warren invites him to his pulpit calling him 'the epitome of compassionate liberalism'. I wonder if the infant dragged out of its mother's womb with a pair of forceps having a puncture drilled into its skull with a catheter inserted into its head to suck its brains out while it is still alive courtesy of a law Barack Obama championed agrees with Rick Warren that Obama is compassionate?

If Jesus were not coming, I would be very depressed. But He is Coming.

The events Christ predicted to watch for are increasing daily, while Rick Warren instructs those deceived by him to ignore the warnings of Christ to be watchful and avoid end time prophecy. As the planet heads for cataclysm and true Christians for persecution, the solution of the backslidden church is simple:

"Go To Lakeland, Get Hands Layed On You By A Pathetic Religious Freak Masquerading As a Minister Of The Lord, And Then Shake, Shrivel, And Laugh" - Indeed, that should solve everything.

'Come Quickly Lord Jesus'

(J. Jacob Prasch)