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IN THIS ISSUE
Tumbled Trees:
Data Only as Good as
Its Source
Notice for Annual
Query Issue
How to be DNA Tested
DNA Test Disproves Published Lineages of Charles Rice Who Married Sarah Bryant
(With Outline of Descendants)
Some Thoughts About
Charles Elmer Rice
For Fellow Root Diggers and Branch Climbers:
Speaking of Erroneous Records
~ Mother the Miracle Worker
~ Accurate Tales of
the Past
Rice Members of the Shaker Religion
Messages from
Martha (Hughes) Rice
Database of Rices
Early Rice Gravestone
Inscriptions in
Meigs County, Ohio
Quick Links for Curious
(Check all spellings)
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(Desc. of Thomas & Marcy Rice of Virginia)
(Send links to your genealogy pages;
they must include
a Rice line.)
ARE YOUR ANCESTORS FROZEN IN TIME?
WILL YOUR FAMILY TREE HAVE NEW BUDS AND SHOOTS THIS SPRING?
TWO THINGS
TO TRY:
1) If you are not a male bearing the Rice surname, find a relative who is and have a DNA test done.
2) Send in the name of your earliest known Rice ancestor, giving at least one date and location, and we will try to match it with those families being researched by other readers. Email: ricebooksreb@yahoo.com
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Our annual "double issue" devoted to reader queries and to an update of the Rice DNA groups, will be finding its way to you either the last week of April or the first week of May.
QUERIES:
Do send in a brief query asking for help locating Rice ancestors. Make sure each query contains at least one Rice name, a date and a place. Use this link: Please publish my query.
DNA TESTS:
If you or a member of your branch of the Rice family has had a DNA test taken, would you please consider sharing your results with us? If so, could you give your test number and a brief summary of what you know about your Rice ancestry? Use this link: Here is my DNA test info.
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OH, THOSE TUMBLED TREES!
 It's As Good
As
Its Sources
During 50 years as a professional writer, I've often had people write in to say something I wrote was wrong. Well, sometimes I was wrong. Often, however, the problem was not that I, personally, was wrong. I would then write back: "I'm only as good as my sources."
This is also true in constructing lineages: We are only as good as our sources...so, we should make them as good as possible.
Her Rice dad's will says she is Martha Baker, but her marriage record says it is Ann Rice who married Richard Baker. What's wrong here?
EXAMPLE 2
Ellen Simmons' online family tree says John Rice, son of William and Mary Rice, married Sarah Hickman. So do the online family trees of eight other descendants, but only one has a source. The source is a family Bible record. Three other online trees say the John Rice who wed Sarah Hickman is not a son of William and Mary Rice, but instead son of Richard Rice. All three cite the marriage bond of John and Sarah as the source. What to believe?
In example 1, first consider that she may have been Martha Ann Rice. The researcher still has to consider that one source may be wrong. Advice? Look for a third and fourth source.
Example 2 presents the very real puzzle of dealing with conflicting sources. First, though, a word of caution: When it comes to credibility, don't balance the nine trees that say one thing against the three that say another. It is common for people to copy online trees of others without doing any original research on their own.
Erroneous copycat lineages pop up all over the internet. Some copiers apparently do not even read what they copy. They copy cases where a child is born before its parents, or born several years after the mother died. Folks who do such erroneous copying are often referred to as "name collectors".
STEP 1
The first step in dealing with contradictory sources is to try to find a third or fourth source that will confirm one of those you have. Even then, you can't always be sure.
STEP 2
Sources can be given credibility rankings. Official records, such as birth, marriage and death records, are considered primary sources, whereas second hand material, such as newspaper stories and testimony not taken under oath, are considered secondary sources. This, however, is a yardstick that is only as good as the efficiency of the person creating the record, be they public officials or not.
CONSIDERATIONS
One would think Bible records should have a lot of credibility. After all, the entries come from family members who "are more in the know" than people who write down official birth, marriage and death records. Right?
No, wrong! A Bible record often has four or five different handwritings. For all we know an entry may have been made 50 years after it happened by a family member who heard it from great aunt Gertie, 96, who yesterday forgot her mother's name.
If you spend a lot of time researching census records you eventually conclude that they are as believable as the person who talked to the census taker. Who was that? Sometimes it was an 16-year-old daughter who was the only person at home, or a spouse who really did not know what state her husband's parents were born in. That's why many researchers tend to use census records for clues only. It's a handy tool. One you use to begin sorting the chaff from the wheat.
THE JUDGEMENT CALL
Often we tend to look at conflicting sources as though one is definitely right and the other is equally wrong. Sometimes, however, they are variations in interpreting similar data, or even the outcome of people burdened by emotional issues. My grandmother fell into the latter category. She did not want people to know how much younger she was than her husband. Because of this, she falsified her age on numerous documents. She was one of very few women who would want to make themselves older than they are.
There are items in this issue that relate to conflicting sources, or data incorrectly copied or interpreted. The one--regarding the parentage and ancestry of a Charles Rice of Kentucky--involves an erroneous lineage that has been much-published over the course of almost a century. It appears in four separate books. A recent DNA test puts this Charles Rice in a group of Southern Rices. I have asked Edmund Rice Association Historian George King to delete him from their online database, which gives no primary sources for this Charles Rice's alleged parentage even though the update of the database has been done with heavy reliance upon documentable primary sources.
This issue also contains corrections to items that have appeared in our e~zine. In our next issue, which will focus on Rices in Pendleton County, South Carolina, we will have another opportunity to discuss conflicting sources.
In Vol. 3, No. 1, we highlighted Richard Johnson's work on his Hawkins Co., Tennessee Rices. It details a researcher plodding through primary source material, compiling evidence. This is the right way, the way genealogists documented nearly air tight lineages before the era of internet genealogy. It is also the slow, sometimes tedious, way. It is tempting to go to the computer, log in to ancestry. com, and find a quick fix in the form of one of the literally thousands of online Rice family trees. However, now that we are into the third decade of the internet genealogy age, it has become obvious that those copycat lineages can fall like a house of cards or a row of dominoes.
Should we not use ancestry.com? Your editor uses it constantly for two things:
1) Looking for clues so I know what records to search.
2) Ancestry.com--and numerous other genealogy sites--do give actual records. Sometimes these are abstracts, or summaries, of the actual record, but the location of the original record is given. For genealogists, this is shining light into the darkness!
Happy ancestor hunting!
~ Rosemary
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This picture of John Rice's great-grandfather Charles Walker Rice and his family was taken about 1896. Shown, left to right in the front row are Charles Walker Rice, Nancy Duerson Rice, Alice Sutton Rice (Monte's wife), and their baby, Pauline. Standing (l to r): Charles' sons Hugh, Leslie (my grandfather), Ollie, and Monte.
DNA TEST DISPROVES PUBLISHED LINEAGE
Charles Rice Who Wed Sarah Bryant in Kentucky
Was Not a Descendant of Edmund Rice of Massachusetts
INTRODUCTION
There are a few Southern Rice lines that have been referred to in past decades as originating in the New England States. Many researchers, noting that documentation for them is lacking, have questioned them, but been unable to refute them.
When John Morrow Rice Jr. wrote me that his DNA test proved that he belonged to a Southern branch of the Rice family, I cheered out loud. His DNA test had solved a perplexing lineage problem that had re-appeared time after time, decade after decade. It is one more case that proves that DNA testing is worthwhile.
It also, once again, points a blaming finger at an erroneous source and proves the danger done when mistakes appear in print. Unfortunately, similar mistakes continue to proliferate because people are copying to their family files undocumented lines they find online. There are hundreds of these copycat lines for the Rice surname alone. One of the more flagrant examples are all the claims that Edmund-1 Rice, who came to Sudbury, Massachusetts in 1638, has royal lineage. This has never been proven!
Here is John's story.
~ By John Morrow Rice Jr.
I am a descendant of a Charles Rice who died in Nov/Dec of 1809 in Madison County, Kentucky. Charles married Sarah Bryant, daughter of Edmond Bryant and Sarah Martin, in July, 1786, in Lincoln County, Kentucky. They had nine children and I am descended from the eldest child, James Rice, who married Elizabeth Turner 19 Oct. 1815 in Madison County, KY.
I have had my DNA tested to 67 markers and have been placed in the Rice DNA Group 4 known as Southern Rices. Most sources lead you to believe that my ancestor Charles Rice was the son of Peter Rice and Sarah Brown Rice. I do not believe this to be correct. First, the DNA does not support it.
This Peter Rice has been documented by the Edmund Rice Association as being a descendant of Edmund Rice and a member of Rice DNA Group 1, while I am a descendant of Charles Rice and am in DNA Group 4.
Second, there is some anecdotal evidence that Charles Rice was grafted onto the Peter Rice tree for some unknown reason. Here is what I found from the Edmund Rice Association. The first example shows the Peter Rice family with sources documented. I find it interesting that Charles's siblings were all documented in an 1858 publication while Charles was not documented as a family member until a 1967 publication.
Children of Peter Rice and Sarah Brown
a.. Abner Rice 8
b.. Sarah Rice+ 8
c.. Charles Rice+ 6
d.. Peter Rice 8
e.. Abraham Rice 8
(8) Ward, Andrew Henshaw, Genealogical History of The Rice Family:
Descendants of Deacon Edmund Rice, Boston: C. Benjamin Richardson, 1858.
(6) Edmund Rice (1638) Association, Supplement to The Rice Family (1858), Massachusetts: 1967.
The second example is a similar document with birth dates. It looks like
Charles was born sometime in 1763, which means that there were three children
born within a less than 27 month period. I'm sure this is possible, but not
an everyday happening.
Children of Peter Rice and Sarah Brown:
Abner Rice (22 Dec 1760)
Sarah Rice+ (17 Nov 1762)
Charles Rice+ (1763 - Nov 1809 or Dec 1809)
Peter Rice (25 Jan 1765)
Abraham Rice (31 Jan 1767)
The third example is also interesting. It notes that there is no published
record of Charles' birth, and it is interesting that all the sources noted
for Charles were published after 1967. You will have to trust me on this,
but if you go to the Edmund Rice records and look at any of Charles'
siblings you will find a reference to birth records at either Brookfield or
Charlemont, MA.
Charles Rice supposedly was born in 1763 at Charlemont, MA; (not found in the published records).1,2,3. He was the son of Peter Rice and Sarah Brown.2 Charles Rice married Sarah Bryant on 11 July 1786 at Lincoln County, VA; originally a portion of Virginia, now Kentucky (Rice Gen'l Register indicates year as 1876, obviously a typo; assumed to be 1786).2,1,3 Charles Rice died in November 1809 or December 1809 at Madison County, KY; Taylor's Fork of Silver Creek.1,3 His estate was probated on 11 December 1809.3
Citations
1.. [S3] Rice Gen'l Register, p. 266.
2.. [S2] Edmund Rice (1638) Association, Rice Family - Supp 1, p. 24.
3.. [S4] Margaret Skinner Rice, Rice Family - S2/P1, p. 60.
To sum up, I don't believe that my ancestor Charles Rice is descended from Peter Rice despite what is published in most sources. The DNA and other evidence just doesn't support it. This is my brick wall. Your help would be appreciated. John Morrow Rice
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Editor's Reply,
The main culprit here is Charles Elmer Rice, whose 1911 book, By the Name of Rice, is still being re-issued, as is his history of the Hanna family. Both new and used copies are offered online, often for less than $30 each. Some wealthy Rice family member should buy them and burn them!
This book is a great detriment to Rice genealogy, but the approach which the author used was also used by others at the time. He looked up addresses for Rices, wrote to them asking about their family, then took their earliest known ancestor and tacked it onto a convenient branch of the family tree he was constructing. The aim was to publish books, not to do genealogical research.
Most of the Group 4 DNA test subjects consider themselves to be descendants of Thomas-1 Rice of Virginia and his wife, Marcy. Many had ancestors in Kentucky, but some believe their ancestors came from Virginia via Caswell County, North Carolina. More than one has claimed descent from an Edward Rice of Virginia.
Our e~zine's annual Query and DNA Report issue will be out in a few weeks. Look at the update it has on Group 4. Although names of DNA test subjects are kept confidential for the testing process, some of those tested don't mind sharing their genealogical research with others. Martha, moderator of the Southern Rice email list, knows who many of them are.
Here is an outline John furnished. It shows some descendants of Charles and Sarah (Bryant) Rice.
1-- Charles RICE-1 (1763?-1809)
sp-Sarah BRYANT-2 ( -1830)
2-- James RICE-3 (1787-1863) Richmond,Kentucky
sp-Elizabeth TURNER-12 (1797-1862) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Fountain RICE-21 (1816-1891) Kentucky
sp-Milanda BOGGS-37 (1823-1899) Kentucky
4-- Taylor RICE-45 (1846- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- James RICE-46 (1841- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- Fountain RICE-47 (1844- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- Theodocia S. RICE-48 (1846- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- Richard S. RICE-49 (1849- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- David C. RICE-50 (1851- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- David C. RICE-51 (1851- ) Madison County,Kentucky
4-- Edmund RICE-52 (1853- )
4-- Robert RICE-53 (1863- ) Kentucky
3-- Silas RICE-22 (1818-1868)
sp-Unk ROBINSOM-38 (1821- )
3-- Martin RICE-23 (1820- )
sp-Mary Ann ADAMS-39 (1823- ) Kentucky
3-- Anne RICE-24 ( - )
3-- Sallie RICE-25 ( - )
3-- James RICE-26 (1825-1871) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Meredith RICE-27 (1826- ) Madison,Kentucky
sp-Kate NELSON-40 (1829- ) Kentucky
3-- Elizabeth J. RICE-28 (1828- ) Madison,Kentucky
sp-J. F. DICKERSON-41 ( - )
3-- Mary RICE-29 (1830-1851)
3-- William RICE-30 (1832-1866) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Samuel RICE-31 (1833- ) Madison,Kentucky
sp-Susan EASLEY-42 ( - )
3-- Thomas RICE-32 (1838- ) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Robert RICE-33 (1837- ) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Charles Walker RICE-34 (1839-1913) Madison County, Kentucky
sp-Nannie DUERSON-43 (1845-1927) Madison County, Kentucky
4-Monte T. Rice (1869 - ) Madison County, Kentucky
-sp Alice Sutton
4-Ollie W. Rice (1871- ) Johnson County, Missouri
-sp
4-Leslie Duerson Rice (1874-1955) Johnson County, Missouri
-sp Anna Julia Morrow (1883-1974) Newton County, Missouri
5-John Morrow Rice (1917-1993) Newton County, Missouri
-sp Kay Adkins (1916-1999) McDonald County, Missouri
6-John Morrow Rice Jr. (1944- ) Seattle, WA
DNA Test #19119
6-David Adkins Rice (1947- ) Newton County, Missouri
4-Hugh C. Rice (1876- ) Johnson County, Missouri
-sp Allie Hilbert
3-- Judith RICE-35 (1840- ) Madison,Kentucky
3-- Nancy RICE-36 (1843- ) Madison,Kentucky
sp-John MILLER-44 ( - )
2-- Ichabod RICE-4 (1789-1876)
sp-Polly JOHNSON-13 ( - )
2-- William RICE-5 (1791- )
2-- Bryant RICE-7 (1793- )
sp-Elizabeth CANOTE-15 ( - )
2-- Sarah RICE-8 (1795- )
sp-James GEERY-16 ( - )
2-- Mary RICE-9 (1797- )
sp-William WALKER-17 ( - )
2-- Rachel Rebecca RICE-10 (1799- )
sp-Joseph CAMPBELL-18 ( - )
2-- Charles RICE-6 (1800- ) Madison,Kentucky
sp-Fanny RUCKER-14 ( - )
2-- Elizabeth RICE-11 (1801- )
sp-David GILLESPIE-19 ( - )
2-- Katy RICE-20 (1803- )
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Some Thoughts About Charles Elmer Rice...
Thanks to Charles Elmer Rice's book in the 1920s--which is full of misinformation--for decades researchers have copied down that this couple --Charles and Sarah (Bryant) Rice--was from Massachusetts and descended from Dea. Edmund Rice. I have always questioned that lineage but now have the results of a recent DNA test which proves this Charles Rice was not a descendant of Edmund.
My family is one that Charles Elmer Rice tacked onto a New England line ... which nonsense can still be found all over the internet! I've been trying to correct it for decades, with only limited success.
As a result, I became curious about who this Charles Elmer Rice was. Turns out he was an Ohio dentist descended from Edmund Rice of Sudbury, Massachusetts. He apparently knew his genealogy and wrote accurately enough about his own ancestry. However, his By the Name of Rice has a fabricated "English" genealogy (actually Welsh), created simply by tying Edmund Rice (invariably referred to as deacon) to the family of Baron Dynevor of South Wales. He actually tells us we are all descended from Old King Coel, the merry old soul!
I have no idea if C. E. Rice did this himself or not. But around the 1920s, Charles Elmer Rice began selling "genealogies" that were fictitious (to put it mildly). I saw a flier that was sent to Cale Young Rice, the Kentucky poet, by Charles Elmer Rice. As I recall, it said that for $5 he would trace your ancestry in America. For another $5, he would trace you back to England.
All you had to do was tell him your grandparents' and great-grandparent's names. Cale Young Rice paid and received several typewritten pages, sticking a James Rice of Virginia onto a Massachusetts line that never left Massachusetts! No dates or references were given, nor were even any residences. Just a long list of Biblical style "begats". (In fact, the James Rice he was referring to lived and died in Bertie Co., NC - not VA.)
It seems that Charles Elmer Rice never married and lived with his mother. All I can figure is that he came on hard times financially and started selling his "genealogies" to make money. You can find Charles Elmer Rice in the census records and references to him on the internet. How very odd it is that he apparently turned into a con man late in his life. He deserves some studying to find out what happened.
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FOR FELLOW ROOT DIGGERS & BRANCH CLIMBERS
Speaking of Erroneous Records...
MOTHER THE MIRACLE WORKER
~ by Jack Novick of New Jersey
My mother was a miracle baby. She always was saying that she was born two to five years later than her twin sister. Her claim was a constant source of amusement within the family.
When she got married, her license application had her born in 1903 instead of 1898. I wasn't involved in genealogy when she died and when I was asked when she was born I gave my father's birth year of 1896 by mistake. When my aunt, my mother's twin sister, died her daughters just took her birth date from my mother's headstone.
A few years ago I discovered my mother's correct birth date and had the headstone date changed from 1896 to 1898. Last year I went to the cemetery and noticed that her twin sister's headstone has her two years older than my mother's (1896). I don't know how my mother did it, but when I told other members of the family they went hysterical.
I always trusted the information on birth and death certificates and gravestones. Now I try to find at leasat one other source. In fact, the best bet is to get as many sources as you can find. Even after she died, my mother is still two years younger than her twin sister.
ACCURATE TALES OF THE PAST
~ by Mavis Garland in Ontario, Canada
Can't agree in trusting that we are hearing the true versions of oral family history. I've discovered there are certain people who take delight in padding stories, or re-telling them to suit themselves. I've recently heard family stories re-told having entirely different people involved in an incident. There were so many changes it was amazing. Surely there are others who have experienced this?
[Above previously published in RootsWeb Review, 1 April 2004 (Vol. 7)]
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SHOWN HERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE SHAKER RELIGION. THEIR WORSHIP INCLUDED DANCING.
Rice Members of the Shaker Religion
Because the United States was founded on principles that included freedom of worship, many sects have found this permissive environment a welcome one. As a result, historically the Unted States has been home to a variety of religious denominations. Among them are the Shakers.
We are at Whitewater, a Shaker village in Crosby Township of Ohio's Hamilton County. In fact, we are looking at records for Ebenezer P. Rice, Samuel Rice Sr. and Samuel Rice Jr., Jefferson Rice, Caleb Rice, Lucy Rice and Mariah Rice.
Ebenezer Rice is listed in the 1850 census as age 59 and born in Rhode Island.
So, here we are, with a group of Rices of which some are from Rhode Island. Why are they here?
First clue: Ebenezer was one of the first trustees of the Shaker Society in 1823/24. He transferred to Watervliet settlement Sept. 23, 1856, but was again a Whitewater resident in 1862.
These Rices were members of the Shaker sect, a religion officially titled "The United Society of Believers in Christ's Second Appearing." This Protestant denomination was based upon the terachings of Ann Lee and was known for its belief in sexual equality.
Their beginnings were in England in 1747 as followers of Ann Lee who, like the Quakers, believed everyone could find God within themselves rather than through clergy or rituals. The Shakers built 500 settlements that attracted about 20,000 converts.
Of genealogical significance is the fact that the Shakers believed in celibacy, which meant they left no descendants to continue their religion. They solved the problem of perpetuating their religion by adding converts and adopting orphans. This means that, from a genealogoical perspective, there are no blood lines to follow. However, there was a high turn-over and the Rices we find in these communities may not have remained. The Shakers had thousands of members in the mid 1800s, but as of December, 2009, they had only three members left.
The Whitewater Shaker Settlement in southwestern Ohio was formed in 1824. A Sherman Rice, then age 74, joined the other Rices there in 1835. Ebenezer Rice, who is the most mentioned Rice of those living there, is listed in the 1870 census as age 76 and the 1880 census as 86, still living as a member of the Shaker community. All census records cited give Rhode Island as his place of birth.
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Messages from Martha (Hughes) Rice
There are a handful of dedicated Rice Family researchers who investigate beyond their own family lines. They tirelessly and unselfishly research and share material on multiple branches of the Rice family and routinely help dozens of people.
Martha (Hughes) Rice is one of those researchers. She set out to prove her husband's Rice ancestry. That was many years ago. Now she is a sort of guru to those researching various southern branches of the Rice family and she moderates an email list for them.
In addition, Martha is actively engaged with promoting DNA testing for southern Rice families and has spent countless hours not only in the Virginia State Archives and collections of the Virginia Historical Society, but also in many Virginia courthouses.
So, when Martha has something to say, your editor listens. In this case, she has corrections and additions to some of our recent items.
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GAIL FARMER'S CONTRIBUTION ON GREENUP CO., KY, SOURCE
Reader Gail Farmer briefed us on a publication containing Greenup Co., KY, births (1852-1859) and (1875-1878) that was listed on ebay (Item No. 370333408015). In reporting this, your editor noted that Gail was looking for info on the George Rice who appears on page 82 of the 1830 census entries for Greenup Co. He married Angeline Harvey. I also noted that an Elijah, Ezekiel, George and Jeremiah Rice are also listed on page 82 and that on page 83 are Benjamin Rice Sr. and Benjamin Rice Jr. Unfortunately, I cited outdated information that appeared in an old query of Gail's. Martha has filled us in on the following:
Ezekiel was b. in Wythe County, VA per his death certificate and his parents were James and Elinor (sic). He m. Elizabeth Miller in Washington County, OH April 1, 1800. He m. secondly Diadem Rogers. Elizabeth is buried in Boyd County, KY and Ezekiel is buried in Carter County, KY. My husband and I along with Sandra Salyers went to Carter County and uncovered Ezekiel's grave. According to Sandra the gravestones of both Ezekiel and Elizabeth are alike. We have never been able to figure out the Benjamin, Sr. and Jr., but Benjamin, Jr. is supposed to have m. Matilda Goad in Pittsylvania Co VA 10/14/1826. Elijah, Ezekiel, George and Jeremiah were in Wythe/Montgomery county along with old James Rice who went on to Gallia County, OH, and who is supposed to have lived to the advanced age of 120. William b. 1756 was also in Wythe/Montgomery. This is all one family, except for the Benjamins, who remain a mystery. We need one of their descendants to participate in the DNA Project.
JAMES HANNAH RICE OF MORGAN CO., KY
We had a brief item on James Hannah Rice, with most of the information coming from an old Family Group Sheet submitted more than 50 years ago and on file with Mormon records in Salt Lake City. Martha has this information:
James Hannah Rice was the son of William M. Rice who was the son of Ezekiel Rice b. 1777 in Wythe County, VA and Elizabeth Miller. A descendant of James Hannah Rice is a 25/25 match with my husband in the Rice DNA study. They are in Group 5. I do not know who gave you this info, but William M. Rice had nothing to do with Muhlenberg County, KY nor did he have siblings named Claiborn and Dabney. He also was not the son of Nathan. They have obviously combined some of the line from Muhlenberg County with those of Carter County. Please check out Sandra Salyers website at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shastablue&id=I09929 . This will give you a more accurate description of the James Hannah Rice family.
THE WORST CASE OF TREE GRAFTING
While I had Martha's attention, I asked her what was the worst case of tree-grafting she had ever encountered. Here is what she replied.
"I believe the worst case of tree grafting I have seen was done by Dean Turner and Raleigh Travers Green who took Benajah Rice of Orange County, VA, who was the son of William d. 1780, and showed Benajah was the Benjamin who d. in 1746 in Beaufort County, NC.
"Meanwhile, somehow Hezekiah Rice of Caswell County, NC was b. to the line in Albemarle County, VA. Hezekiah of Caswell was the son of Benjamin Rice, d. 1746 in Beaufort County, NC. Benjamin came to NC from Calvert County, MD and was the son of Evan Rice. Hezekiah of Caswell had no ties to Albemarle or Hanover counties. The Hezekiah Rice who is in the records of Albemarle County was a Lt. in the Revolutionary War from Louisa County, VA, so there is no way he could have also been the Captain Hezekiah Rice in Caswell County, NC.
"If you read through some of this material carefully, you can spot the piecework. How could both Benjamin and Hezekiah have been in so many places at one time? Benjamin d. in Beaufort County, NC in 1746. William, father of Benajah, d. in Culpeper County, VA (not Orange, right neighborhood, wrong county) in 1780. Benajah d. in Boone County, KY in 1819. His will names sons Elijah and Ezekiel who are said to have married Garnett sisters and also named Benjamin as a son in his will. His Elijah and Ezekiel have nothing to do with the Elijah and Ezekiel found in Lawrence, Greenup and Carter counties, KY, who are represented by DNA Group 5.
"A descendant of Benajah is in Group 7A. The Benjamin who m. Elizabeth Tinsley in Culpeper County appears to have been another son of Benajah and not the same as the Benjamin, Sr. or Benjamin, Jr. found in Greenup County, KY.
"I have a feeling with Benjamin, Jr. having m. Matilda Goad in Pittsylvania County, VA, there could be a connection to Benjamin, d. 1746 in Beaufort County, NC, as some of his descendants were in the records of Pittsylvania County at times.
"If only we could get DNA participants from these lines... "
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DATABASE OF RICES IN MEIGS COUNTY, OHIO
Aleline Rice, born/bpt.* ca. 1822, OH
Cassia Rice, ca. 1808, PA; wife of George Wolfe
Catharine Rice, ca. 1817, PA; wife of James Madison Hysell
Edward Rice, ca. 1844, OH
Eliza Rice, ca. 1800, VA
Eliza Rice, ca. 1814, OH; wife of Cyrill Hoyt
Elizabeth Rice, ca. 1817, OH; wife of George Stivers
Elizabeth Rice, ca. 1828, OH; wife of Hugh Cook
Elizabeth Rice, ca. 1833, OH
Harriet Rice, ca. 1837, OH
James Rice, ca. 1846, OH
John Rice, ca. 1824, OH; wife, Martha _(?)_
Josiah Rice, ca. 1836, OH
Josiah Rice, ca. 1840, MS
Levi Rice, ca. 1812, OH
Milton Rice, ca. 1832, OH
Sarah Rice, ca. 1839, OH
Theresa Rice, ca. 1821, OH; wife of David Radford
Thomas Rice, ca. 1827, OH
Ursula Rice, ca. 1784, CT
Child of Jacob Rice (ca. 1794, PA-1886) and 1) Hannah Plummer
Henry H. Rice, ca. 1823, OH; husband of Rowena L. Gaston
Children of Jacob Rice (ca. 1794-1886) and 2) Jane Mitchell
James Harrison Rice, ca. 1833, OH Catharine H. Rice, ca. 1835, OH
Mary Mitchell Rice, ca. 1837, OH
Lewis Adam Rice, ca. 1841, OH
George Jacob Rice, ca. 1843, OH
Joseph Plummer Rice (1847-1913)
Child of John and Martha Rice
Laura Rice, ca. 1849, OH
Children of William Rice (ca. 1800, VT) and Sophronia Robinson
Charles Rice, ca. 1827, OH
Lydda Rice, ca. 1830, OH
Louisa Rice, ca. 1833, OH
Mary Rice, ca. 1835, OH
Volutia Rice, ca. 1839, OH
John Rice, ca. 1841, OH
Children of William (ca. 1810, VA) and Rebecca Rice
William Rice, ca. 1841, OH Martha Rice, ca. 1844, OH
John Rice, ca. 1847, OH
Sarah Rice, ca. 1849, OH
(Information in this item and in the following one is courtesy of the Ohio GenWeb Project.)
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Photos of Rice Gravestones in Meigs County, Ohio
Editor's Note: Meigs County, Ohio, was carved out of Gallia and Athens counties in 1819. Some of our readers have been researching Rices in Gallia County.
ELIZABETH RICE, Salisbury Township Cemetery, Nov 8, 1833 - Oct 14, 1910, daughter of Adam & Eliza Jett Rice. (Top left)
ELIZABETH (RICE) COOK, Hemlock Grove, Bedford Cemetery. Death certificate says she was born Feb 28, 1828 to Wm. Rice of NH and Sophrona Robinson of NY, and died in Bedford Twp., Meigs Co., OH Mar 4, 1915, age 87years, 14days; Informant: Hugh Cook. (On one side of this stone is the inscription: "In memory of children of Hugh & Elizabeth Cook: William H., Susan, Asa & Cynthia", no dates listed. (Bottom left)
Mary M. (RICE) SPENCER, Mount Herman, Chester Twp. Cemetery, Sep 20, 1862 - May 8, 1915; husband Milo Spencer. (Top center)
NANCY A. (RICE) STORY, Carleton Church, Bedford Twp. Cemetery, 1869 - 1953; wife of Emerson P. Story. (Marriage record says Emerson P. Story, 29, m. Nancy A. Rice, age 31, daughter of J.B. Rice and Rebecca Irvin, Nov 28, 1900. (Bottom right)
T. J. RICE, 1827 - 1910, Middleport Hill, Salisbury Twp. Cemetery. (Top right)
WILLIAM and SAMARIA RICE, Carleton Church, Bedford Township Cemetery; William L. Rice, 1868 - 1937; Samaria, his wife, 1864 - 1948. (Bottom center)
NOTE: There are more recent Rice burials in these cemeteries. One of them is a model of longevity. Belva (Rice) Willard was born in 1897 and died in 2000, putting her well past the 100-year mark. Her husband, Homer Willard was born in 1893 and died in 1991, making him just a couple of years shy of the 100-year-mark.
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Draw the Family Circle Wide, Then Draw It Wider Still
Share both the fruits of your genealogical labors
and the puzzling problems you encounter
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FIRST THREE VOLUMES AVAILABLE:
The Rice Book Project
BOOK 1: Celebrating Our Diversity
Biographies of dozens of Rice family members from different backgrounds, different decades and different branches of the family; also a directory of Rice Revolutionary War soldiers; 248 pages
BOOK 2: The Immigrants
Lists of immigrants for three centuries; early generations of the Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut branches of the family; chapters on English, Irish, Scottish and German Rice families; 258 pages.
BOOK 3: Connecticut & Tennessee Rice Lineages
This covers several branches of the Rice family and chronicles in detail descendants of Henry Rice, the pioneer gristmiller in Tennessee; 512 pages.
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BOOK 4: Pennsylvania and Maryland Rice Lineages
This is the next book in the series.
Order books from the Rice Book Project Website.
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Books may also be ordered from:
ROBERT RICE
11 ANDES DRIVE
MECHANICSBURG, PA 17055-5504
Enclose a check payable to Robert Rice
THE RICE FAMILY EZINE
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