Your Rice Family Ezine
 
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VOL. 1, NO. 17                                SEPTEMBER 5, 2008
 
 
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Draw the Family Circle Wide, Then Draw It Wider Still
 
Share both the fruits of your genealogical labors
and the puzzling problems you encounter
 
 

IN THIS ISSUE


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FIRST INSTALLMENT:

RICE/CREW FAMILY
CORRESPONDENCE

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Last Issue Led to Lots of Networking


For Root Diggers and Branch Climbers: More Humorous Epitaphs


Does Sarah Palin, McCain's Pick for V.P., Have Rice/Royce Ancestry?


Southern Family Trees:
Family of John Wesley Rice of NC, GA & AL


We're All Over the Map: The Rices of Riceville in Johnson Co., KY


SPECIAL FEATURE:
The Rice/Crew Family Letters
 

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GOIN' FISHIN'
FOR
ANCESTORS?

 
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WANT A
BIGGER
CATCH?


TWO THINGS
TO TRY:

1) If you are not a male bearing the Rice surname, find a relative who is and have a DNA test done.

2) Send in the name of your earliest known Rice ancestor, giving at least one date and location, and we will try to match it with those families being researched by other readers.  Email: ricebooksreb@yahoo.com

 

NEWSLETTER ARCHIVE


If your newsletter looks like it is not properly formatted, or is garbled, please let us know!

Address all newsletter correspondence to:
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Anyone have old family pictures to share?



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JAMES MONROE RICE (1835-1913)
 

Last Issue Led to

Lots of Networking
 
PART I

In our last issue we printed a message from reader Eric Adams, asking about his ancestor Jacob Rice (1811-1891).  Since he had his line that far back, we recommended a DNA test so he could be matched with other readers.  Your editor also felt that some of our readers were working on his branch of the family. 

Since then, he has been contacted by reader Norah Rice, who has offered to share material and believes it possible that they share a common ancestor.  She, too, urged him to have a Rice-surnamed cousin take a DNA test to see if he belongs with her and other researchers in DNA Group 10.

The above picture is from Norah.  James Monroe Rice is her great-great-grandfather. He was born in Clermont Co., OH and died in Greenup Co., KY.  He was a son of James and Elizabeth (Lakin) Rice.

 
PART 2

In the last issue your editor asked for clarification of data relevant to two William Rices in Virginia who both married women named Mary Crenshaw.  One of these couples, I knew, parented the Sarah Bacon Rice who married Walter Crew and is the subject of family letters forwarded to me more than 30 years ago.  (Those letters begin, in serial form, in this issue.)

I received the following from JoAnn Rice:

"I'm a descendent of Samuel Davies Rice of Bedford (VA).  I have a lot of info (Lois Blankenship and I are working on it) from the Biggerstaff book, where we found my great-great grandfather, John Holt Rice, son of Samuel Davies Rice. I do have info on the William Rice b. 1779 who married Mary Temperance Crenshaw and was the father of Sarah Bacon Rice who married Walter Crew. This William was the brother of David Rice III (b. 1770,  married Jane Holt, and father of Samuel Davies Rice, their only child). Their father was David Rice II, (b. 1733, married Mary Blair).  David Rice I married Susannah Searcy. I show their children as Matthew, Elizabeth, Mary, Thomas, Charles, David II, Benjamin and William (b. 1744) who has a son William G., who married Polly Van Arsdale, but the dates don't work.
 
I'm not sure this helps, but I have done a lot of work on a branch of the family that no one seems to know about.  I've also researched William and Mary Temperance's four children and their descendents, if that would be helpful. There's quite a lot about them in Sarah Agnes Rice Pryor's diary. She was their grand-daughter (her father was Samuel Blair Rice, Sarah Bacon Rice's brother).  I can send you a copy easily if you don't have it.
 
I'm really interested in seeing your info about Walter Crew. I have their children listed, and can only imagine what the Presbyterians had to say.<g>.  I'll be away for most of this week.  Lois B. found John Holt and his wife India's grave in East Hill Cemetery, Salem VA.  I'm going down to visit her and see the family plot.
 
Best,
Joann Rice

Many thanks to all of you for sharing!

                              ~   Rosemary
 

Sarah Palin, McCain's Pick for Vice President:
Does She Have Rice/Royce Ancestry?



Sarah (Heath) Palin's solid New England ancestry may include descent from Robert Royce of New London, CT.

Robert, a shoemaker, was a New London constable in 1660.  In 1667, he was appointed to keep "an ordinary" (tavern).  In 1669, Robert Royce was a member of the Connecticut General Assembly.  He and his wife, Mary (Sims?), had seven children.  Three of them married into the prominent Caulkins and Lothrop families.  (Sarah Palin is also a Lothrop descendant.)

Stories about this early Royce family, whose descendants often spelled their surname "Rice", can be found in the New England Historic Genealogical Register (122:274-77) and in Book 2 of the Rice Book Project, which is titled The Immigrants and lists some Robert Royce/Rice descendants.

Some trustworthy genealogists have said Sarah Palin's ancestor, Robert Boltwood (1620-1684), married Mary Royce (1629-1687), daughter of Robert and Mary (Sims) Rice. I don't show her as one of their children, so I looked into more records and discovered that other trustworthy genealogists list Robert Boltwood's wife as Mary Gernor and still others call her Mary Gernor Rice.  How frustrating!

I poked around some more.  Then I found Robert Boltwood's wife as Mary Rice, with no parents given.  Interestingly enough, this last find was in a summary of Mitt Romneys ancestry.  Remember him?  He was one of the presidential candidates edged out by McCain.

Who are these "trustworthy" genealogists?  They are people who have published well-documented books, or written articles for such excellent genealogy magazines as The New England Historic Genealogical Register.  Gary Boyd Roberts, a recognized authority on ancestral lines of presidents and other famous people, weighed in on the Mitt Romney pedigree.  That means I may keep looking for this mysterious Mary Rice.

Meanwhile, if any readers can shed more light on this, let me know!


 


FAMILY OF JOHN WESLEY RICE (1850-1908)
OF NORTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA & ALABAMA

steam train"My husband and all the men in the Rice family that I met were tall--6 feet and over (my husband was 6'3")--and slender, with angular facial features and lots of hair, mostly brown, but some have reddish tint. 

 An elderly lady in an Alabama nursing home remembers John Wesley  Rice well.  He was the county jailor and rode 'a cantankerous grey stallion, no longer young, but feisty.' He was not wealthy, but always had time to stop and chat.  He was always jolly.  His wife, Carrie, was a very lovely lady with startling blue eyes.  She took very good care of herself and lived a long time.  Her home in Columbus--where she lived at one time--is on the historic tour."

So wrote Mrs. Denise Guerin Rice of Decatur, GA in 1974.  She was researching the family of William Rice, born about 1811 in North Carolina, married Milly Ann Pearce in 1831 in Newton Co., Georgia, and died in Russell Co., Alabama before the 1870 census was taken.  Milly was born about 1813 in Georgia.

John Wesley Rice was a son of William and Milly.  Their other children were Martha Ann, William, James, Caroline (m. Tom Bagley), Benjamin, Amelia (m. a Mr. Stewart) and Thomas.

John Wesley Rice (1850-1908) was born in Seale, AL and died in Girard, AL.  He married Patience Carrie Bryant (1855-1936) in 1873. She died in Atlanta and is buried with her husband in Girard.

Their children were Robert (m. Ollie Fannie Creighton), Lena Blanch (m. Jack Corley), Wesley James (m. Annie Ola Parmer), Charles Henry (m. Gertrude Dismer) and William Lee, who died unmarried.  Denise's husband, Richard Henry Rice, was a son of Charles Henry Rice.

Denise located the William Rice family in census records of Newton Co., GA (1830) and Russell Co., AL (1840, 1850, 1860 and 1870).

 
CAN ANY OF OUR READERS TAKE THIS FAMILY BACK ANOTHER GENERATION OR TWO...OR THREE? 


 

 
JOHNSON COUNTY, KENTUCKY
 
 
Up the "big Sandy" long, long ago...
 Sandy River KY
 

WE ARE ALL OVER THE MAP!steam train

These Rices Lived at Riceville
in Johnson County, KY 



Margie King gives us this description of her Rice ancestors:
 
I am a descendant of the Rice family thru my grandmother Bertha Rice, born October 6, approximately 1890. I have a book of hers - Johnson County, Kentucky - by Mitchell Hall, printed in 1928. The info on her family goes back to her great-great grandfather, John Rice.

"John Rice is the furthest back that the ancestors of the Johnson County family were traced. He is said to have come from Dover, England, and settled near Roanoke, Virginia. The first date of him known in the family tradition is for 1780, which is the time that he is supposed to have come to this country and served in the Revolution."

Grandma (Rice) May's great-grandfather was John Rice, b. 1786 in Virginia. He married Nancy Davis, died 1854, daughter of John Davis. They had 9 children. They "first settled on what was later known as the Sam Hale farm on Middle Creek, when they came to the Big Sandy. From there they moved to the head of Jennie's Creek."

Bertha Rice's grandfather was  Andrew Jackson (Black Jack) Rice, b. 11-14-1822, m. 9-19-1844, to Phoebe Fairchilds, born 9-30-1823. They had 9 children.  Andrew Jackson Rice was married a second time to Nancy Jane Fairchilds and there were 4 more children.

Bertha Rice's father was Benjamin Franklin Rice, b. 8-11-1849, maried to Emily May, daughter of David May of Salyersville, KY. There were 9 children in that family.

Bertha Rice was married to William Lester May in 1914. They had 9 children, Benjamin Lowell, Juanita, Pauline, Virginia, Robert, Emily, Alice, Roberta, and Beverly.  As of August, 2008, 4 are still living.  There were 25 first cousins.

The Rice/May family lived in Riceville, Maysville and Salyersville, KY.  Grandpa and Grandma lived in Denver, Seattle, and finally settled and made their family home in Wenatchee, Washington.  Grandpa May was a carpenter by trade. Grandma May took care of the children and also worked as a seamstress. They had a long, happy life.


EDITOR'S NOTE:  I have received bits and snippets on the family of John Rice and Nancy Davis over the years. They are at odds with each other.  Can anyone document this John Rice's parentage.  Is he, as some claim, the son of John Rice and Martha/Patsy Fleming?  Is this elder John the John Rice that died in 1792 in Roanoke, VA?
 
I  have decided it is not a good policy to mention reader email addresses in our ezine.  If you wish to contact Margie King, email ricebooksreb@yahoo.com and your message will be forwarded to her.
 
Rice/May KY fam 
SHOWN ABOVE: WILLIAM AND BERTHA (RICE) MAY AND THEIR NINE CHILDREN. The children--Benjamin Lowell, Juanita, Pauline, Virginia, Robert, Emily, Alice, Roberta, and Beverly--are not named in the order they appear.
  





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"Blessed" with
Love 
and Lawsuit



INTRODUCTION

What follows is the beginning of a five-part series dealing with the family of Sarah Rice and Walter Crew of Hanover County, Virginia, and Salem, Iowa.  Sarah is a daughter of William and Mary (Crenshaw) Rice. Your editor is in possession of correspondence and papers relating to this and allied families. We begin with the 1819 marriage of Sarah and Walter. It was an event not without its attendant difficulties, as the following letters and memoranda indicate.
 
 
UNDATED LETTER ADDRESSED TO W. M. CREW (APPARENTLY MICAJAH CREW, WALTER'S FATHER) FROM CHARLES CRENSHAW, SARAH'S UNCLE.
 
Dear Sir:
 
About noon the day before yesterday I received the astonishing intelligence that Walter had gone up the country to be married to Sarah Rice. When I entrusted her to the care of your family and used as I supposed the friendly accommodation of Walter to attend her to Richmond my confidence in the safety of the course was unreserved.
 
Religion, that heavenly guardian of innocence, friendship, honor and confidence increasing their obligation were such walls of defense that her safety seemed to need no further security and my mind rested quiet. How sadly have I been betrayed. My detestation and abhorrence of Walter's conduct are inexpressible. I conceive that he has violated all the principles which I have mentioned in a base and treacherous manner.
 
I have therefore to request if the event should prove as report anticipated that you will make known to him my pointed objection to his coming to my house. Guilt takes a sneaking secret course in pursuit of its objects whilst conscious propriety fears not the light. Hence the privacy of this project by which an orphan is to be sacrificed and myself her vigilant friend distressed.
 
Accept my well-wishes
C. Crenshaw

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THE DISTRESSED MR. CRENSHAW OBVIOUSLY EXPANDED HIS COMPLAINTS AGAINST WALTER CREW IN A MEMO TO BLAIR RICE, SARAH'S BROTHER. THAT MEMO IS NOW LOST, BUT BLAIR COMMUNICATED THE CONTENTS TO WILLIAM RICE, HIS AND SARAH'S FATHER, AND ELICITED THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE.
 
Charlotte County December, 1819
 
Observations suggested by a perusal of the contents of the memo furnished Blair by his Uncle Charles on the subject of Sarah's marriage. "Astonishing intelligence" - "deplorable event" - "abominable idea" - "Providence interpose" - "sacrifice of Sarah."
 
These expressions seem calculated to make one forget for a moment the real state of things; and to imagine that Sarah had connected herself by marriage or otherwise to the veriest wretch in the community - to some drunkard, gambler or horse-thief - at least to some haughty, irascible, ill tempered man who was likely to consign her for life to the most abject and heart-broken slavery.
 
Surely none would infer from them the truth of the case, that she had married an affectionate, good-tempered and intelligent man; and whose character and connections in a moral point of view were unexceptionable.
 
"Advanced Years." Although a difference of age is generally deemed suit­able, yet it is admitted that a difference of 15 or 16 years is greater than is desirable. But this objection, considering the uncertain and transitory character of all human affairs, seems not entitled to great weight. I could mention several marriages which have taken place in this and the adjoining counties in which the difference of age in favour of the man was greater, and which proved as far as appearances could authorize an opinion to be among the happiest that I have known at all; and in some of which the senior was the surviving party. Indeed were the absence of every sort of objection on each side to be made a universal and indispensible requisite to matrimonial con­nections few if any would ever be formed.
 
"Not worth a cent." I do not in the least doubt that the memo contains the sentiments and opinions of the writer, but as the statements of W. Crew, who must possess more perfect knowledge on the subject and who is equally worthy of credit, are somewhat different, I am inclined to suppose there may be an unintentional error in the former. It is however known and admitted on all sides that he is not rich. But it is confidently believed that what they both possess added together will constitute an ample competency.
 
Poverty, that is the want of the real necessaries of life, is certainly an evil of considerable magnitude: But that our happiness is increased in a direct ratio to the dis­tance beyond a competency at which we are removed from this point, is an error too vulgar and palpable to be imputed to the author of the Memo. Equally un­friendly to human enjoyment is the opposite extreme. A situation in either would be as undesirable as a residence in the polar or equanoxial regions of the earth. Hagar's prayer "give me neither poverty nor riches" seems to have proceeded from a perfect knowledge of the real condition of human affairs.
 
"Superior standing" - "reception here flattering."
Without being understood to adopt fully the sentiments of the Memo in regard to rank and standing, I would observe that here also Sarah enjoyed the respect and friendship of every acquaintance male and female whose respect and friend­ship were worth possessing and that since her return she has unhesitatingly withdrawn her hand from several persons; one of whom would have been rejected by few ladies in this part of the country and would very probably have met the approbation of her Uncle Charles. This and other circumstances evinced a strength and steadiness of attachment which was not to be lightly opposed.
 
Having no agency in the events, or control over the circumstances which led to this attachment, it remained only for me to decide from the best views I could take of the probable results whether I ought to consent to her marriage or in­terpose my authority to prevent it. And I freely acknowledge that had my views and sentiments in the whole subject been very different from what they were, I should have been extremely unwilling to incur the responsibility for all the consequences immediate and remote of such an interposition.
 
On the whole it appears not improbable that S., who has happily never been smitten with an ardent love of splendour and distinction, has judged better for herself than any of her friends could have judged for her.  It is by no means presumed that the preceding observation will obviate the objections which exist in the mind of Mr. Crenshaw to Sarah's marriage, even if he read them at all; but the subject was interesting; I was at lei­sure; and some explanation of the views and principles of my own conduct seemed due to myself.
                                                                              ~ William Rice

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FOLLOWING ARE EXCERPTS FROM A REPORT PREPARED BY LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES EN­GAGED BY MICAJAH CREW AND SON TO ACT FOR THEM IN A CASE WHICH APPARENTLY GREW OUT OF CHARLES CRENSHAW'S ANGER OVER THE MARRIAGE OF SARAH RICE AND WALTER CREW.

In performing the duties consequent to the trust conferred upon us by the act of Micajah Crew and son relative to the settlement of their affairs we have unavoidably been led into a legal contention with Charles Crenshaw. We are not surprised to hear of his honoring us with a liberal use of those polite epithets in which he has long become eminently fluent in his paroxysms of rage. All this might well be passed over in silent pity for the torture he sustains from such scalding effusions of spleen and malignity. They have been habitually indulged till perhaps he has lost all power to curb the violence of their eruptions. But as his representations of facts are calculated to create erroneous impressions of the merits of the subject and perverted views of our conduct in the business, we deem it at least excusable to correct their tendency with a simple relation of the leading circumstances of the case both before and since it was our misfortune to be placed in contact with him.
 
[Here, the report explains the circumstances surrounding a $5000 loan made by Charles Crenshaw to Micajah Crew. The report states that it was privately but clearly understood that the loan was for an extensive period of time.]

The report continues:
 
About ten months after the transaction alluded to was closed Charles Crenshaw gave Micajah Crew notice that the whole sum due him must be immediately paid or he would require the trustees of the deed to him to proceed to sell the property without delay. It was alleged as the reason of this precipitate resolution that Walter Crew the son of Micajah Crew had married Sarah Rice, his niece, contrary to his wishes and that he had cause to believe the said Walt­er's father and all his family had clandestinely promoted the connection. What the ground of his belief was he has not thought proper to state.
 
We leave him to prove the justice of his resentment against Walter Crew to the world after making the short observation that Sarah Rice had a father of high respectability concerned for her welfare who gave his free consent to the mea­sure. Charles' affection for his niece we admit must have been excessively ardent or it could not have been susceptible of wound so deep as has manifest­ed itself in the wonderful tender manner in which he has since totally cast her off to the mercy of whatever destiny may await her.
 
[The report here goes on to detail Micajah Crew's fruitless efforts to raise the money required by Charles Crenshaw, as well as the equally fruitless eff­orts of others to persuade Mr. Crenshaw to change his course. Mr. Crenshaw persisted, however, and actually had Mr. Crew's land and mills advertised for sale without the signature of one of the trustees, Mr. James Pleasants. The report concludes:]
 
About ten days after the sale of the property had been advertised Micajah Crew mentioned the fact of his having paid Charles Crenshaw interest on the $5000 for some time before he borrowed it. Tarlton W. Pleasants, to whom he stated the circumstance with a view to get his opinion whether the return of interest ought not to be demanded, as the principal was so suddenly recalled contrary to promise, consulted a lawyer on the case who without hesitation pronounced the transaction palpably usurious.
 
The Pleasants and Fleming Bates being both large security creditors of the concern of M. Crew and Son, and feeling no doubt excited by Charles Crenshaw's ungenerous and violent course of conduct, determined to write him a notice of their knowledge of the circum­stances, and require him to relinquish the benefit of his deed of trust and place himself on an equal footing with the common creditors, stating at the same time that if he declined to do so, they would demand of us the trustees to resort to such measures of compulsion as the equity of the law afforded. C. Crenshaw made his election in favour of maintaining the advantage he held and they accordingly called upon us to interfere in the case. We have complied with their demand and time must determine the event.
 
Charles Crenshaw may thank the clemency of M. Crew that a greater degree of severity has not been exercised towards him. Not however by us, nor that we know of by any of the creditors, yet the unprecedented cruelty to an unoffending family, struggling as they were under the pressure of adversity and accumulated afflictions, would have pursued him with the utmost penalties of the law, had the man of all others from whom he had the least right to expect mercy consented to the measure.

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In our next issue we will present some of the early correspondence between William Rice and his daughter,Sarah, and son-in-law Walt­er Crew. Among the most charming features of this correspondence is the dry wit which characterizes the letters of William Rice.
 
  
 

FIRST THREE VOLUMES AVAILABLE:
 
The Rice Book Project
 
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BOOK 1: Celebrating Our Diversity
Biographies of dozens of Rice family members from different backgrounds, different decades and different branches of the family; also a directory of Rice Revolutionary War soldiers; 248 pages
 
BOOK 2: The Immigrants
Lists of immigrants for three centuries; early generations of the Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut branches of the family; chapters on English, Irish, Scottish and German Rice families; 258 pages.
 
BOOK 3: Connecticut &  Tennessee Rice Lineages
This covers several branches of the Rice family and chronicles in detail descendants of Henry Rice, the pioneer gristmiller in Tennessee; 512 pages.
 
BOOK 4:  Pennsylvania and Maryland Rice Lineages
This is the book we are now working on.
 
 
Order from the Rice Book Project Website.
 
 
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 More Humorous Epitaphs

Ezekiel Pease: He is not here, but only his pod: He shelled out his peas and went to his God.
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Sacred to the memory of Jared Bates...His widow, aged 24, lives at 7 Elm Street, has every qualification for a good wife and yearns to be comforted.

A BAKER PAR EXCELLENCE

(This epitaph appeared in an article titled "The D.A.R. Story" in a l951 edition of the National Geographical Magazine.  The article does not give a location for the gravestone.)

Beneath this dust
lies the moldering crust
of Eleanor Batchelor Shoven;

Well versed in the arts
of pies, puddings and tarts,
and the lucrative trade of the oven.

When she'd lived long enough,
she made her last puff,
a puff by her husband much praised;

And now she doth lie
and make a dirt pie
and hopes that her crust
may be raised.