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TWICE MONTHLY                                                                          JAN. 31, 2008
 
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INSIDE THIS ISSUE

Genealogy
Puzzle Contest
 
This Issue's Pedigree
 
For Root Diggers and Branch Climbers
 
Research Tips
 

The Rice Family

DNA Groups
(Part 1)
 
Basics of DNA Testing
 

We're On the Map: Rice's Mill, NC, and a Family Legend

 
 
 

Quick Links for  Curious Rice Ancestor Chasers

 

RICE FAMILY BOOK PROJECT

 

BOOK ONE INDEX

 

BOOK TWO INDEX

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ITS NEWSLETTER

 

RICE DNA PROJECT

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RICE EMAIL LISTS (3)

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THANKS TO OUR READERS

 
What a Fantastic Zine Launch!

Many thanks to all of you who sent me such warm, supportive messages after you received your first Rice Family Ezine!  Your enthusiasm ensures that we will have a lively publication.

During my many years as a genealogist I have noticed that not all my friends and kin share my enthusiasm.  They don't realize, I guess, how exciting it is to solve genealogical puzzles and add new leaves, twigs and branches to the family tree.

I think we can keep our "zine" momentum going and also captivate some of our relatives with our tales of ancestors who were heroes, forebears who worked to expand our nation's frontiers westward, and those who did such difficult, funny, mesmerizing and unusual things long before we took our place in this great ancestral chain that both reaches into the past and stretches into the future.

Sign your mom, dad, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews and children up for the ezine and maybe pass some genealogical energy on to them.  You can sign them up here.

Do it before our genealogical puzzle so they can compete for the prizes! (See below)
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Genealogical Puzzle
Coming Soon
 
A genealogical puzzle that first reached print in 1748 will appear in our next issue.  It is rooted in an unusual epitaph.
 
There will be a grand prize for the reader who first submits the correct answer and prizes for the four runners-up.  First prize is a hardcover set of the first three books in the Rice Family Book Project. This prize is valued at more than $100.00.  The other prizes are hardcover editions of Book 2, titled The Immigrants.
 
 

 

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                          with room for me
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Descent from Michael Rice of Virginia
 
 
This pedigree was submitted by John W. Clark, Jr., who reports that a book on his family, titled The Michael Rice Family History 1680-1983, was published in 1983.  It was authored by John Rice Montgomery of 19 North College Avenue, Salem, VA  24153.  Some of this material has appeared on John Clark's pedigree at www.ancestry.com. John's branch of this family tree is identified at the end of the pedigree.
 
Readers who wish to make additions or corrections to this material are asked to email John at jwclark@austin.rr.com, sending a copy to me at ricebooksreb@yahoo.com so the new information can be placed in our ezine.  Information on how to submit your pedigree for this column appears at the end of John's lineage.
 
MICHAEL RICE (born about 1680)
 
Two children: Samuel Squire Rice and Michael Rice, Jr. (born about 1710)

           

Samuel Squire Rice (d. 1783) married Sarah Ragland.  Their children:

            Phillip Russell Rice (1760-1841) King William County, VA; .                                                                                                     m. Martha Vaughn

                        Phillip Russel Rice, Jr. 1790

                        Malinda Rice 1791

                        Hudson M. Rice 1792-1878 m. Rachel Murphy

                                    Maria M. Rice 1817-1861 m. John Corlis

                                    Anderson Doniphan Rice 1818-1869 m. A. F. Russell

                                                Hudson D. Rice 1857-1936 m. Molly F. Huffman

                                                            Hudson D. Rice, Jr. 1884-1974 m.  Pauline      .                                                                                                                            Pried

                                                            Sadye Vianna Rice  1879-1948; m. Hugh M.                                                                                                                           McNutt

                                                            Elijah Liter 1882-1882

                                                Sally (Sarah) Vianna Rice 1859-1875

                                                Harriet Ellen Rice 1861-1941

                        John V. Rice  1795 m. Catherine Jones

                                    William H. Rice  1860

                        William S. Rice  1801 m. Mary E. Wood

                                    Charolete H. Rice 1832 m. Henry A. Peddicord

                                    William M. Rice 1836

                                    Ann B. Rice  1839

                                    Oscar F. Rice 1841 m. Rebecca B. Kendrick

                                                Oscar F. Rice, Jr. 1900

                                                Lou Rice  1870 m. Bob O'Dell

                                    Charles N. Rice 1847 m. Polly White

                                                James W. Rice 1874-1964 m. Indaola Grabar

                                                            Mary Alice Rice 1909

                                                            James William Rice, Jr. 1903

                                                Alonzo N. Rice 1877 m. Daisy Carroll

                                                            Myrtle Irene Rice 1903

                                                            Charles Nelson Rice

                                                                        Helen Rice

                                                            Daisy Mae Rice

                                                Hugh Paschal Rice 1879 m. Lillie G. White

                                                            Leona White Rice 1905

                                                            Rubye Irene Rice 1907

                                                            Charles Marvel Rice

                                                            Ruth Helen Rice

                                                            Gladys Lee Rice

                                                            Cordie Evelyn Rice

                                                            Hugh Paschal Rice, Jr.

                                                            Hazel Pauline Rice

                                                            Fleet Warner Rice

                                                Charles Nimrod Rice and Mary Elizabeth Steffey:

                                                *Cora Lee Rice 1881-1937 m. Ben. Anderson, W. S.                                                                                                                           Gardner

                                                John Morgan Rice 1883

                                                Charles C. Rice 1883

                                                Robert E. Rice 1888 m. Nora Hendricks

                                                            Robert E. Rice, Jr. 1925-1938

                                                            Eloise Violet Rice 1926

                                                            Charles William Rice 1928

                                                            Hugh Paschal Rice 1930

                                                            Doris Jane Rice 1937

                                                Lisander Frank Rice 1890 Elsie Hendricks  

                                                            Lisander Frank Rice, Jr. 1927

                                                            William Gaines Rice  1928

                                                            Wilda Grey Rice 1933

                                    Cecilla Rice  1849

                                    Alonzo C. Rice 1851-1934 m. Martha Hobb

                                    John P. Rice 1844

                        Ann Rice  1803

                        Lucinda Rice  1817

            William Samuel Rice (ca.1757)

            James Rice (ca. 1755)

                        Children: Michael Rice 1808

                        Anetta Rice 1811

                        Betsy Rice  1812 or 1813

                        Cornelius Rice 1814 or 1815

                        Parthenia Rice  1817

            Mitchell (or Michael) Rice (ca. 1740)

 

*John Clark's maternal grandmother was Cora Lee Rice who married James Benjamin Anderson. Following his death, she wed William Shields Gardner.  Their daughter (Cora Maxine Gardner) is John's mother.

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If you wish to have your pedigree in our Rice Ezine, please submit it in the outline form shown above. 

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This column's logo art is courtesy of Denise Van Patten,  ©2000; see http://collectdolls.about.com

                      

 

FOR FELLOW ROOT DIGGERS

AND BRANCH CLIMBERS
  
FIRST NAMES OF BYGONE YEARS WERE REAL TONGUE-TWISTERS
 
Here's a list of first names appearing in various Rice families of the past. Ranging from A to Z, some are quaint, some are tongue-twisters and some just defy description.
 
Asmanella, Alzimand, Artelysa, Bethulia, Capernaum, Cyms, Datus, Eudocia, Eusebia, Flavel, Faxon, Girza, Harmoline, Ione, Jubal, Lapantha, Leafa, Musa, Oliph, Ogilvia, Oropha, Parozanda, Rienzi, Sparhawk, Taba, Thezian, Urania, Vashti, Wao, Weenia, Zelotus and Zibean.
 
Atlanta,  Champion, Columbus, Fountain, Hercules, Lettice, Madam, Comfort, Charity, Delight, Faith, Mercy, Patience, Relief, Submit, Thankful, True and Temperance.
 
Some parents did double duty, adding middle names: Arbel Avenger, Azubah Zerviah, Calista Tryphena, Elsina Derexa (sounds like a disease), Darwin Erwin, Fidelia Ardella, Harony Child and Freelove Sweet (hmmm!)
 
This one does not belong to the Rices but is one of my longtime favorites:  Phebe Mouse married James Peed and became Phebe (Mouse) Peed.
 
 
 

RESEARCH TIPS..........................................

 
THE ODOM LIBRARY, MOULTRIE, GA
Scattered across the U.S. are a number of excellent genealogical libraries.  One is the Ellen Payne Odom Genealogy Library, established by a million dollar bequest from its benefactress.  This library has an excellent collection of Scottish records and acts as an archival and genealogical repository for upwards of 110 Scots clans and family societies.  A list of these families can be found here.  To subscribe to the library's newsletter, The Family Tree, which has a readership of nearly half a million, write to the library at P. O. Box 2828, Moultrie, GA 31776
 
EMIGRANTS IN CHAINS
 
It is no secret that the growing colonies of Maryland and Virginia were the destination of the forced emigration from England of felons, rogues and social outcasts.  According to Peter W. Coldham's social history titled Emigrants in Chains, by the time the Declaration of Independence was issued in 1776, England's prisons had disgorged about 50,000 inmates to the colonies.  Most survived to populate the land of their exile with their descendants. These laborers--many of whom toiled in tobacco fields--also included destitute children, political and religious non-conformists, beggars and what were then considered other undesirables, including people from workhouses and brothels.  This fascinating book can be found in the genealogical collections of many public libraries.
 

DNA TESTING REVEALS
AN  ANCESTRAL SIGNATURE

PART ONE

A simple DNA test can either negate or validate decades of genealogical research.  It can also save hundreds of hours of detailed genealogical sleuthing by giving you, for starters, a fairly accurate assessment of which of the many branches of the Rice family you belong to.

Why is that valuable information?  Because it will enable you to immediately compare notes with all the other researchers who are perched on your branches of the family tree.  You can see how you are related and, usually, find out more about your Rice ancestors and what their lives were like.

Information on how to take a DNA test is at the end of this article.

Why get involved in DNA testing?  Because we have an ancestral "signature" locked in our DNA.  The male Y-chromosome identifies it.  Everyone who descends from Thomas Rice of Virginia and his wife, Marcy, has the same "signature".  The same is true for descendants of every Rice immigrant to America from the 1600s onward.   In DNA lingo, these "signatures" are called haplotypes.  For example: Now that we know the haplotype for Edmund Rice any male descendants of his still bearing the Rice surname will DNA test with that haplotype or a very slight variation on it.

We will be talking about DNA testing a lot in our Rice Family Ezine.  There will be updates to the basic groups (i.e., branches of the Rice family in North America).  With your help, we will be trying to identify branches of the Rice family which have not yet had a descendant tested so we can establish priorities and an action plan for having this done.

The statistics on the testing done to date are interesting.  Of the more than 200 people tested, about 22% don't fit into the established family groups.  If this statistic remains constant, we will be discovering many more--perhaps dozens--of branches of the Rice family.  This is both important and exciting news to Rice family researchers.  It also means we have a lot of work ahead!

This article only begins to lay the information foundation that we can work from.  In Part One we will describe eight of the groupings established to date.  Part Two (in our next issue) will complete that description, ending with the most intriguing group of all: those 40 some test subjects who don't fit into the 15 groups established so far and do not match with each other!  That means we've only discovered and named a very small number of the Rice family branches in America! 

Please keep in mind that the identity of test subjects is kept confidential and is keyed to the identification number of the person tested.  This means your editor and many others interested in--or associated with--Rice DNA testing only know the ancestral lines of those who chose to identify themselves and furnish information on their ancestors.  This means the following summary of groups is limited to participants who have volunteered this information.  If you have been tested and your earliest known Rice ancestor is not listed, please consider letting us add his name to our list.

GROUP 1 (41 tested) - DESCENDANTS OF EDMUND RICE (ca. 1594-1663), WHO CAME FROM ENGLAND TO MASSACHUSETTS IN 1638.  This group is well enough established that if you think you are an Edmund Rice descendant but have not proven a documented line, a DNA test of a Rice surname male you know is of your line should either support or disprove Edmund as your ancestor. If you are an Edmund Rice descendant, you can verify the earlier generations on the website of the Edmund Rice Assn.  There is fairly complete, documented information for the first five generations on the Edmund Rice Association website.

GROUP 2 (10 tested) - A SOUTHERN RICE LINE?  This group has subgroups which do not entirely match each other and more testing participants would help delineate each subgroup.  Those who are heading up the Rice DNA testing project have said they believe the common ancestor is probably an immigrant to Virginia.  Yet, this does not explain how John Rice who lived at Dedham, MA in the mid 1600s fits in...unless his descendants moved south.  Here are--as clues only--some of the ancestors named by test participants in this group: Thomas Rice (ca. 1800, NC-1860, KS); Nathaniel Gray Rice; John of Dedham, MA, married in 1649;  Lemuel Rice of Virginia (the person tested gave faulty ancestry data which probably does not nullify him being classified in this group); James Rice (m. Sabra Pollard) of Wilkes Co., GA;  Joe Leonard Rice (1865-1949) of Tennessee and Arkansas; and, a German immigrant whose Reiss surname was allegedly Americanized to Rice in 1840.  A cautionary note: There appears to be no evidence that any two members of this group are related to each other.  The initial sample taught a lesson which now relates to all subsequent members of the group: sheer coincidence can indicate, when only 12 loci are tested, close resemblances that are nullified when an expanded test (more loci) is conducted.  In this respect--especially when no genealogical research evidence is available for the test subject-- DNA results can be misleading.  Certainly members of this group most likely are not related within a genealogical time frame.

GROUP 3 (31 tested) -  ROBERT ROYCE (ca. 1606-1676) of New London, CT.  Readers are urged to see Rice Book 2, titled The Immigrants, for more information on this branch of the Rice family.  There, questions about whether he was the Robert Rice found in Massachusetts at an earlier date are discussed and much more material on these Rices is given. Five of those tested trace back to Robert using fairly reliable genealogical procedures. Seven others appear to have semi-documented lines back to Robert, seven more are not documented and three who test as Group 3 members were previously thought to be descendants of Edmund Rice. The near-exact match status of all the samples tested on 25 loci (the basic test is only 12 loci) makes it seem likely that at least these are closely related, and probably all of them are. Since the testees with documented genealogies back to Robert Royce agree at least 24/25, and include exact-match descendants from two different sons of Robert, the group as a whole is now quite firmly established, even though not all members have traced their lineage back to the founder. There is a Robert Royce Association. (See list of links in left column, above.)
 
GROUP 4 (21 tested) - A VIRGINIA RICE LINE. It appears that this is the branch of the family that has been known for decades of genealogists as belonging to Thomas and Marcy Rice, who were in Virginia at an early date, but later than some other Rice immigrants to Virginia.  (Indeed, until recently almost every Rice with Southern ancestry has assumed that they belonged to this family and DNA testing has proven this longstanding assumption wrong.) Here are some of the ancestors claimed by those who test in this group: Christopher Columbus Rice of Richmond, Madison Co., KY; Campbell Rice of Carter Co., KY; Charles Rice of Goochland Co., VA and Bath Co., KY, who d. in 1785; Edward Rice of Goochland Co., who d. 1770; Jesse Rice (b. ca. 1778) of Shelby and Muhlenburg Co., KY; David Holman Rice of Barnwell Dist., SC; William Rice of Caswell Co., NC, who m. Esther Chounan; James Rice (1750-1835) of VA & KY; Holeman Rice 1773-1845) of VA, NC & OH; Holman Rice, b. 1784, VA; Charles Rice, b. 1749, VA (whose line then continues as Charles b. 1715, Edward, d. 1770, VA, and Thomas and Marcy); Charles W. Rice, b. 1839, Madison Co., KY (son of James); James Rice (m. Alice Hix) of Logan Co., KY; Humphrey Posey Rice (b. ca. 1816, SC and moved to Cherokee Co., GA); Holman Rice who m. Jane Morris; Jesse Rice (d. Shelby Co., KY before 1840); and, William Campbell Rice, b. 1823, Lawrence Co., KY & m. Polly Osborne.  Nine donors have tentatively traced back to Rices of Virginia, and eight others to Rices of Kentucky or the Carolinas (and probably to Virginia ultimately).  Yet the identification of their common ancestor remains uncertain.  Additional testing of more descendants would no doubt firm up this group.

GROUP 5 (15 tested) - RICE OF VIRGINIA. Several people who know they are cousins and thus have common ancestry have been DNA tested, yet the immigrant ancestor is unknown.  Those tested give the following as their ancstors:  Archibald Rice, b. 1795, VA and d. 1864, Carter Co., KY; Elijah Rice, b. 1787, VA & d. 1860, Carter Co., KY; Thomas W. Rice (b. 1811, VA),  m. Sarah Cox and died after 1880, Grainger Co., TN; James Monroe Rice, b. 1803, TN and m. Sarah Hedrick in Blount Co., TN; Sherrod Rice, b. 1805, VA, and d. ca. 1864, Carter Co., KY; Alan Bronson Rice of Ashland, KY, who moved to KS; Mathias Rice (1801-1843) of Lawrence Co, KS; George Rice of Ashland Co., KY, b. ca. 1900; and, Ezekiel Rice, b. 1777, Wythe Co., VA, son of James and Elinor, with this James possibly the same James Rice (1724-1844) who died in Gallia Co., OH.  (Your editor advises caution here where evidence relates to a man who supposedly lived to the age of 120 years, which is extremely unusual).

GROUP 6 (3 tested) - RICE OF VIRGINIA. There are three people in this group with matching DNA.  All claim descent from James Rice, who died in 1817 in Loudoun Co., VA.  This third Virginia group has only three representatives so far and includes only 12-loci tests, but it seems to be well documented.

GROUP 7 (10 tested) - RICE OF MID-SOUTH.  People who tested the same--or very similar--in  this group claim descent as follows. Most of them descend from Henry Rice, known as "the pioneer gristmiller". He was born in 1717 at an undetermined place and died in 1818 at Lost Creek, TN. Not all, but some, of the other ancestors named by these descendants are children or grandchildren of this Henry.  The  list also includes: John Rice, d. 1834, Madison Co., AL; Thomas Manson Rice, b. 1828, Hawkins Co., TN and d. aft. 1900, Whitley Co., KY; John L. Rice, b. ca. 1800, SC; Reuben Rice, b. ca. 1776, son of John Rice, and m. ca. 1800 in Hawkins Co, TN, Lydia Shaner and moved to Randolph Co., AR; and, William Littleton Rice, b. 1836, AR, and probably a descendant of Reuben Rice.  (EDITOR'S NOTE: Rice Book 3 contains more than 200 pages of information on descendants of this Henry Rice.)  This fourth southern Rice group has been designated on the strength of its growing numbers. Reports of locations for the earliest known ancestors range from Tennessee and Kentucky to North Carolina. Most members of this group match each other 23/25 to 25/25. These test subjects thus appear to constitute another group, even though there is as yet no agreement on a common ancestor.

GROUP 7-a (3 tested) - RICE OF MID-SOUTH.  These are descendants of Richard Rice, b. ca. 1770-1780 and d. 1841, Elbert Co., GA; and, Benajah Rice, d. 1819, Boone Co., KY (son of William Rice, d. 1780, Culpeper Co., VA).  Three other test subjects were first assigned to this group, but when their tests were extended to 37 markers their relationship with the others proved to be too distant.

GROUP 8 (3 tested) - David Rice of Weymouth, MA; this is said to be the family of William Marsh Rice of Houston, who founded Rice University, but your editor has seen no documented proof of William's ancestry, though it certainly may exist.

A study of the above results shows that there is much more data needed to substantiate preliminary results.  This means we need many more test subjects.  Only some groups have enough test results--with supporting records from traditional genealogical research--to solidify these branches.  What this means is that there is enough evidence to establish the genetic signature (called a haplotype) for the immigrant ancestor or to assume that those who test the same have a common ancestry.

Group 7 remains an interesting case study and genealogical challenge.  The earliest identified person in the group is Henry Rice, but it is not proven that all those tested descend from him and nobody knows Henry's ancestry.  Serious and competent genealogists have been trying for decades to discover Henry's ancestry, but even with DNA testing of several descendants it has remained elusive.  Many of us (your editor included) who do not descend from Henry are so challenged by his unknown ancestry that every time we check an index, or find a new source, we automatically punch his name in! 

It may seem that DNA testing has not led us very far, but consider this.  As recent as the early 1990s many of those researching the New England Rices thought there was only one major branch, that being the descendants of Dea. Edmund Rice, who came from England to Massachusetts in 1638.  Now test results support what only a few of us already knew: The assumption was false. There are other unrelated branches of the Rice family in New England--at least six of them, and we have not yet had a single person DNA tested that belongs to at least three of those.  Likewise, those descending from Southern Rice families believed they all had a common ancestor, a Thomas Rice of Virginia.  Here DNA testing has come to the rescue, already indicating a dozen or more separate, unrelated Rice families in the south.  It seems inevitable that there will be even more since most of the tested subjects who do not match anyone else claim southern Rice lineages-that is, they don't have a common ancestor unless you go back a thousand or more years!  The reason for this is that since genealogy as a hobby became all the rage in the mid 1800s nearly every amateur genealogist has researched only his/her own branch of the family.

Only professional genealogists or the few people who have, like your editor, covered all branches of a family, have known the width, breadth and depth of the non-relationship these people with the same surname have to each other.  Between the 1870s and now--a span of more than 135 years--less than 10 people are known to have covered all branches of the Rice family.  Some of the "surprises" revealed by DNA testing struck me as "It's about time" because I started a Rice newsletter in the 1970s and as soon as it started accepting genealogical queries from readers I knew, by their content, that there are literally dozens of Rice family branches in North America.  Indeed, if you look at the list of Rice immigrants to America in just the 1600s, you will find that there are at least 60 of them. Almost without exception they stayed this side of the Atlantic, had children and founded branches of the Rice family.  (See Rice Book 2, titled The Immigrants.)

Basics of DNA testing are:
 
1) The test must be taken by a male who has the Rice surname.  If you are a female, you must find a brother, uncle, grandfather, etc., to take the test.   What if your Rice ancestor is several generations back?  I can help you find present day male descendants.  Send the name of your earliest known Rice ancestor, with one date and place, to ricebooksreb@yahoo.com
 
2) The test is simple.  The person being tested receives a kit in the mail.  He then uses a Q-tip to take a swab from inside his cheek and follows the instructions for returning the sample.  It's that simple.  The results will go to the Rice DNA test coordinator.
 
3) The identity of test subjects is confidential.  Results are reported under the number assigned to the kit.  If you have trouble understanding the results, let me know at ricebooksreb@yahoo.com.
 
4) For more information--including ordering the test kit--email the Edmund Rice Association's DNA Project administrator/coordinator Bob Rice: rvrbarre@verizon.net
 
If you want more detailed information about the Rice DNA Project, including more technical assessments of relationships, you are advised to go to the site of the Edmund Rice Association's reports on the project.

 

 
WE'RE ALL OVER THE MAPsignpost: RICE'S MILL, NC
 
Debunking Family Myths: Do Some NC Rices Descend from a Cabin Boy Who Swam Ashore?
 
One branch of North Carolina Rices claims descent from a young Rice boy who reportedly jumped ship and swam ashore in Albemarle Sound in the early 1800s. 
 
The story-related to your editor in 1973 by Mrs. Matilde M. Rice of Greensboro, NC-claims that this youth, whose first name is unknown, was thought to have been a cabin boy of U. S. citizenship being held prisoner on a British ship.
 
Mrs. Rice, then the widow of  M. Edward Rice (1920-1971), said the story was told to her by her husband's mother, the wife of Moses E. Rice (1868-1935).
The story, as handed down from generation to generation, reports there was a severe smallpox epidemic on board the ship.  The Rice ancestor and another prisoner decided there was as much hope in trying to swim ashore as there would be in staying on the ship, which was getting ready to set sail for England.
 
The Rice youth made it to shore and settled in Bertie Co., NC, a few miles from Windsor at a place which became known as Rice's Mill, NC, but is no longer on the map. He was the father of Dawson Rice and John R. Rice (1827-1901).
It was Royal E. White of Aulander, NC, grandson of John R. Rice, who told the story to Mrs. Moses E. Rice.
 
Thinking this was a story which might contain clues for present day Rices searching their Bertie Co. ancestors, I headed straight to the census records.  My first thought was to check the 1850 census to see if there was a male Rice head of family with sons Dawson and John.  That would give me a first name for the Rice who swam ashore.  I struck out.
 
My next quest for more on this family led to the 1880 census, the first in which people were asked to name not only the state of birth for themselves, but also the state where their father and mother were born.  John R. Rice would have been 53 then. Here again, there was no luck, but for a rather unusual reason.  The 1880 census taker for this part of Bertie Co. simplified his job by saying everyone's parents had been born in North Carolina-row after row and page after page.
 
I've long known about family myths and how many of these legends have some likeness to what really happened, whereas others need to be debunked when no shred of evidence to support them can be found.
 
In fact, one of the questionable legacies left to many descendants by anxious-to-explain-genealogists who got carried away in the mid 1800s is this: "There were three brothers that came to America about 200 years ago.  One settled in New England, another settled in Virginia, and we don't know what happened to the third."  This is a story-or rather a convenient explanation-that has been handed down in dozens of families who bear many surnames.
 
Now, back to these Bertie Co. Rices that are still being sought by descendants today.  Yes, there was a John R. Rice. He's in the 1880 census of Mitchell(s) Township, listed as age 52, with his wife, Sarah M., 49, and children Thomas, 22, E. L., 20, J. D., 19, a daughter (J. C.?), 16, Elizabeth, 15, Lugenia, 13, Moses, 12 (recognize him?), Fannie, 8, and Asa, 5.  Right down the road is a James, 27, who is perhaps his son.  Both John and James are farmers and the wife of James is listed as Sarah B., 21.  (You can also find John in the 1870 census with older children Roxaner, 20, Ellen, 17, and Ader, 14. and some slightly different spellings of the names of the younger children.)  James Rice, 60, a miller, and his wife Susan, 43, are also in Mitchell(s) Twp.
 
I found some other Rices in Bertie Co. in 1880.  In the town of Snake Bite (yes!) there is William D. Rice, 41, a single laborer, and, in another household, George Rice, 45, farmer, with wife Malinda, 35, and children David, 12, Moore E., 4, and Daniel J., 2. This George Rice (d. 1907) and his wife, Malinda Butler (1840-1922), are found in  the cemetery records for Cashie Baptist Church at Windsor, NC
 
Still trying to tie the Bertie Co. Rices to this elusive cabin boy, I waded through the 1850 census.  Here I found an earlier John Rice, 64, with his wife, Sarah, 54, and children Mary, 31, Jane, 26, Dorsey, 21, and Sarah, 19.   There was also the family of William Rice, 53, with his wife, Priscilla, 39, and children George W., 14, Martin V., 13, Wm. D, 10, Nepolen B., 8, Joseph, 4, and Amilia, 1.  The son George is the right age to be the  George found in the 1880 census with his wife and children; the son William is also the right age to be the William found in 1880.
 
Also in the 1850 census, in addition to John and William, are some other Rices old enough to have been born during the era that the cabin boy swam ashore.  A David Rice, 59, and his wife, Margaret, 45, (and Edward, 17) are living with Worley O. Rice, 20, who has no wife listed, but does have a daughter, Julia, 8 months old.  Maybe his wife died in childbirth and his parents have moved in to help out.  Near by is a James Rice, 28, with no wife, but a son, Joseph, 3; living with him is Delilah Rice, 45.
 
This glimpse of Bertie Co. Rice households in 1850-and particularly of a Celia Rice, age 77, about whom we will talk later-made me wonder just how early there were Rices in this little corner of North Carolina.
 
What a surprise! Before the mill was Rice's Mill, it was Taylor's Mill, located on White Oak Swamp just north of the Windsor-Aulander Rd. (now Rt. 305).  There are so many references to the Taylors, Tayloes and Tylers that I didn't take time to puzzle them out.
 
The first mention I find of a Rice in this area is William Rice, who was constable when the 1755 tax list was made. (Taxes had to be paid on all males over 21 and on slaves of both sexes between ages 21-60.)  This is certainly before our young cabin boy was born!  A William Rice was witness to a 1749 deed  of  Bertie Co. land sold by William Johnson of Surry Co., VA to Edward Rasor. A William Rice is also listed in the record book (1773-1804) of Sandy Run Baptist Church as a member.  The 1790 census lists as head of household a William Rice and a James Rice. In 1814, a James Rice was deeded land owned by David Fleetwood.
 
Now we get to Celia Creecy Rice (1807-1892), who is also referred to as Celia Rice Raby.  Her gravestone inscription in the Tyler Family Cemetery at Roxobel says she was the daughter of James and Celia Yeates Rice and the second wife of Perry Cotton Tyler. An old Roxobel landmark is the Oaklana Plantation, owned for many years by Perry Cotton Tyler.
 
Celia Rice, 77, is listed in the 1850 census of Bertie Co., as living with Celia Rice, 44, and her husband Perry C. Tyler, 61. The Tyler children are: William, 22, Nepoleon, 20, Elizabeth, 10, Luther, 8, and John E., 2 months. Also in the family are Deborah Raby, 21, and Henrietta Raby, 12, no doubt children by Celia's first marriage.
  
We can make some sense of all this by noting that in the 1820 census there is listed as head of household a Celia Rice, somewhere between ages 26-44, with four children.  Next door is John Rice, under age 25, with an unnamed male between 16 and 18. This household also includes two men over age 45 and a teenage female.
 
This Celia is too old to be our Celia born in 1807 so it must be her mother.  If so, it seems that one of the earlier Rices in Bertie Co. was James Rice (husband of one Celia and father of the other) who must have died before his daughter was 13.
 
There is a Rice Family Cemetery in Aulander.  Buried there are John Rice (1827-1901) and his wife, Sarah (1832-1906).  This is the John we started with. He is supposed to be a son of that cabin boy who swam ashore.  We never found the cabin boy, nor did we find John's brother Dawson.
 
Charles Rice ngu_hao@yahoo.com.uk descends from James Rice who m. Rachel Tayloe/Tyler in Bertie Co., NC.  Does this marriage, we wonder, explain why Taylor Mill became Rice Mill?  He reports to the southern Rice email list that an Edward Rice made a will in 1753 in Bertie Co.  He also notes that a William Rice who married a Sarah Perry ca. 1754 is connected to the Rice and Perry families of Nansemond Co., VA and Edenton Dist., NC.  They had sons William and James.
 
Charles has been DNA tested and says he is in the "orphan" DNA group-those with no matches.  (We'll be having a look at that group in our next issues.)
 
Diane Snyder DFSn180@aol.com is looking for info on a Stephen Rice, born ca. 1769 in Bertie Co.
 
rice bk pro
 
The RICE FAMILY EZINE is sponsored by the Rice Family Book Project.  Shown above are the first three books in the series.  Book 1 is titled Celebrating Our Diversity, Book 2 is called The Immigrants and Book 3 contains Tennessee and Connecticut Rice Lineages. Pictures within the picture are of Riceville, Iowa before the 1901 fire, Col. David Blair Rice (1817-1887), a Civil War surgeon who moved from Kentucky to Oregon (very faded), and Lydia A. Rice, b. 1840, Indiana, and great-granddaughter of Jacob Rice who, about 1770, established a fort in what is now Washington Co., Pennsylvania.  The Book Project has its own website.