Silveys' Plastic Consulting
Notes, articles and ramblings
December/2007
Vol 1 #8
Greetings!
 

Hallo!

 

Well tis the end of the year and first off I thank you all for the work and comments over the better portion of the past year. I hope this finds all in good spirits and looking forward to the New Year.

 

The past month has been busy with follow-ups and weather up here in the Northwest, guess we can't take all our rain in a one day time period without a few water issues. We survived and all is good on that front though a lot a people are working though theirs.

 

This issue we continue with the viscosity of the resin in the mold and if you need training in that let us know, as education is a good thing especially when it has direct returns to the bottom line. Also you all may want to check out an article by John Bozzelli in the current Injection Molding on the very same subject. Or you can go to his web site at www.scientificmolidng.com and support a good friend by purchasing software or taking training from him. Just tell him Steve sent ya. On another note please forgive the style in this section as I tried to make it more real.

 

On a personal note I will be working out of the portable office, (the red truck) from the 20th till the 1st of the year, as I will travel south to visit family and friends. But as always connected via the web and cell. Those in the Bay area I may have a few days if you wish to avoid travel expenses,    but as they say space is limited,   and who knows what's on that list of to do's at moms

 

Anyway here's hoping that all have wonderful holidays and all the best for the NEW YEAR.

 

TA-

Steven

 
 
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Viscosity continued
What does the curve tell us
by Steven L Silvey
 

Since a shear viscosity test was run and numbers and data have been generated the issue now becomes how to read or basically understand what is going on.

 

General assumption must be made in this part of the explanation;

1-     shot size was held constant

2-     pressure was set to max

3-     barrel heats were held constant

4-     machine speed was only variable adjusted

5-     recorded data included

a.       fill time

b.      pressure at transfer

c.       shot size

d.      transfer position

6-     other points were

a.       allowable transfer time was increased to 10 seconds

b.      A minimum of 10 points were taken with maximum as close to 10 seconds as could be found.

c.       All parts were saved and labeled

 

Now than when plotting the curve there is a relative flat section as injection speed increases and also a relative steep section as the speed decreases. Between these two areas there is what may be called the knee of the curve or an area that connects the flat to the steep.

 

The question is where is the perfect spot? The answer is where good or acceptable parts are being made. That is it, as a spot can be chosen and if the parts are not acceptable at that spot than it is not a good spot. So it is the inspection of the parts that will determine where the process should be.

 

So why run the curve? Why waste the time? Because in the 10 to 30 minutes it takes to run this test you will have determined where injection speed should be set, a portion of whether or not there is an issue with gate size, what factors are important to processing, how big is the fill time window and finally a quality check, data point of the material that is being used.

 
 
viscosity curve
 
 
Now the above illustration is showing a few things:

1-      it is a resulting relative viscosity curve

2-      The numbers 0 - 5 are shear rate numbers

a.      The red line may show the relative flat portion of the curve

b.      1 second fill time is 1 on this line as 1/1=1, 2 on the line is a 0.5 second fill time as 1/.5 = 2

3-      The number 0- 40000 show the relative viscosity numbers

a.      The higher the number the stiffer the flow, more like concrete

b.      The red line would represent the steep portion of the curve

4-      The 2 green lines represent a point on the line that I state is critical in setup importance of operations and what is to be watched

a.      To the right of line the process window is large as our relative viscosity does not vary that much.

b.      To the left of the line the process window became very small as relative viscosity can change greatly with slight variations in fill time.

c.       Note that the placement of the green line has yet to be determined exactly by modeling, and at this point is only reference and will vary in angle.

 

The fill time set point will relate to a viscosity number and shear number on the curve which gives a reference point. So now there is a number associated with the fill time that can be related back to material viscosity that can be checked against another lot of material, or process set up at a later date. There now is a QC check data point.

 

If the fill time selected, is to the right of knee in the flat section it can be observed that the viscosity does not change much, thus it is possible to adjust the fill time a bit and not have issues (not that you would want to), but more important, a change in temperature will not have a great effect in this area of the curve on the viscosity. While if in the steep section, fill time must be watched and keep to +/- 0.04 seconds and material temperature should also be watched very close, along with monitoring of the lot changes. This can be observed due to the steepness of the curve versus the fill time on the base line.

 

The portion that may refer to the gate size is that if we open the gate the viscosity of the material will go towards the left. (Opening of gate diameter reduces shear) Thus dependant of where you are on the curve will determine if you wish to even look at opening of the gate as to maintain that shear on material, and the resulting speed increase if the shear is to be maintained.  

 

A point should be made here that fill time once established should remain the same and is a very important quality check point. It (fill time) should not fluctuate or if it does keep it to that small +/- 0.04 seconds. Understanding the concept and data generated will increase the knowledge base, and help to get to solutions a bit quicker. An example of this was a test (relative viscosity) a few years ago which resulted in every part having gate blush. What this showed is that the processor can not process out the blush with machine conditions, thus the issue was tool related.

 

Another example was a client whom knew and had done shear viscosity curves for the current material and than a new material, yet could not process the new material without bubbles. Just by reviewing the numbers on the curves the injection speed was slowed down to achieve the viscosity number of the old material and the bubbles disappeared.  The newer material flowed easier.

 

Yes the shear viscosity and generation of data can be a pain, but knowing what is really going on and being able to show with data and parts those results is as they say priceless.

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2103 East 10th  Street

Erie, PA 16511

Telephone  814-899-6390

Fax   814-899-7117

www.beaumontinc.com

 
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When size, stress and repeatability definitely have to be identical from 1 cavity to 96 cavities in the parts, give me call, or give BTI a call direct and tell them Steve sent ya.

 
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Services
What we do or at least provide
 

The following are brief descriptions of some of the services:

 

1-      Troubleshooting:  assisting in the processing

a.       Over the phone, or by E-mail.

b.      At your plant, (minimum of 4 hour charge)

2-      Design review of parts, prints, molds.

3-      Plant Audits,

a.       Review of  process setup

b.      Review your cooling program via basic numbers

c.       Material handling system

d.      Observations of  plant operations and flow

 

 

Plant audits can be done in either a 1 day quick observation or a multiple day detailed observation and review done on a machine by machine basis. Initially a 1 day quick observation gives the basis of what is going on. This does include a written report.

 

4-     Training / education programs. (many more than shown)

a.       Scientific Molding     The principles and details to molding by results.

b.      Mold design and part design.   understanding the basics

c.       Materials, selecting materials and understanding data sheets

d.      Plant   the cooling system, layout and efficiencies

e.       Customize training / education programs developed.

 

5-      Mold optimizations / new mold trials

a.       Develop optimum fill speed and time

b.      Understand the pressure drop of your tool

c.       What is the gate freeze time

d.      What needs to be changed based on data.

e.       Record a process that is repeatable and consistent. If we can't than the why not.

6-      Other services

a.       program management

b.      material development  ( oversee with external assistance)

c.       testing of materials   (oversee with external sources)

d.      BTI MeltFlipperŽ   ( distributor for)

 
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Commentary
 

 

 

Though the year has been good at this time of the year it is a bit of reflection that always tends to come into play. Some organizations are busy trying to wrap up new projects or starting others, while some may be slow due to various issues. Which ever is your case it is a good time of the year to set down and reflect on the positives and negatives of the past year, but remember in truth it is past.

 

As Albert Einstein is quoted as saying" The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" The other saying that comes to mind is "If it ain't broke don't fix it" Within the plastics molding and manufacturing industries these both make me chuckle all the time, as we all need a sense of humor.

 

I have studied with interest a company over the past year that has been in Plastics for almost 50 years, not their main product mind you but have molded for themselves for this period of time. It has been a profit center and contributed to the bottom line. At one point they were doing things that people said could or shouldn't be done. But something happened, and they lost their focus, decided that if it ain't broke don't worry and so forth. The results for the past 7 plus years has been a downfall, and put the whole of the company in a bad way. 

In the opposite direction I recently toured a company that is turning around, embracing technology and automation, and having known this organization for over 30 years it is a wonderful thing to see.

I bring this up as an example that to stay competitive, everyone must move forward; look at new ways or better ways of doing things. Standing still just doesn't cut it anymore, and yesterday was that yesterday, as a friend would tell me years ago, what did you do for me today. 

 

So as you may reflect, what was good, or how can you do that different or more effective, create the list and maybe goals for the New Year, but if they are goals than they need a completion date. As you go though your memories remember the good, the funny and maybe the not so funny, and hopefully you will generate a smile or a chuckle at remembering something or someone and if it is at the time of the New Year and it is your choice maybe raise a glass in a toast to all that is past and another to what the future will bring.

 

As someone once stated "to not remember history is a sure way to repeat it"

 



Silveys Plastics Consulting
360-882-3183
Steven L Silvey
Silveys' Plastic Consulting
PO BOX 5216
Vancouver, WA 98668-5216
phone 360-882-3183, fax 360-882-3184, cell 360-606-1156

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