Silveys' Plastic Consulting
Silveys' Plastics Notes and Ramblings
November/2007
Vol. 1  Number 7
Greetings!
 

Hallo!

 

I wish all a happy November what is left of it, mine has been a bit busy, getting back from the K (yes it ended in October) and trying to catch up on various projects and the stack of mail. 

 

Speaking of the K I was as always happy to be there and it was fun to see new things and some old things now touted as new. For those in the PET market the use of Infra Red to dry and crystallize the material at the same time. Of course the injection molding area was full of cube molds doing all assembly and spitting out completed parts, or 3 second cycle times and innovations in the robotics in taking parts out, but not with complicated end of arm tooling but using the axis of the robot.  Maybe next month I will have a detail list of things I saw, still working on talks with people so will see.

 

The one thing I enjoyed about the K was that you saw families, with parents explaining to the family members what was going on. I find that great, spurring the interest or not in the manufacturing process, explaining how something is made. The international aspect is always great, and I find it one way to try and stay ahead, and of course look at what others are doing to be competitive.

 

I will say that Germany in the autumn is great for me as I visit with relatives and some friends drink some bier and eat some great foods. The weather was good yet a bit cool when the wind blew, but sunny.  Where else could you be outside enjoying a Brat and Bier and strike up a conversation with someone new only to find out they live in Yakima, Washington.

 

This month the article is on viscosity, which ties to last months on shear. Let me know what you think, as I may have gotten off base a bit, but I am not ready to write the great American novel.

 

So enjoy the article, have a great rest of November beginning of December     keep the education flowing to all.

 

Ta-

 

Steven L Silvey

 

silveysplastics@aol.com

 

Office: 360-882-3183

Viscosity
What is flow
by Steven L Silvey

 

Definition: the state or quality of being viscous, 2. physics: a: the property of fluid that resist the force tending to cause the fluid to flow, b. the measure of the extent to which a fluid posses this property.  3. How one puts measures to the flowabilty of a fluid or material example, concrete versus water one is easy flow the other stiff or hard to flow.

 

In a previous article presented the topic was shear and how to calculate and or at least understand shear for what it is. Basically that as the force/volume of a fluid is increase through an orifice the result is it shears and that the fluid can possibly reach an area where degradation will occur.

 

When evaluating materials a  lot of time people will discuss the melt flow of the material or melt index of the material ( a calculated interaction)  When they discuss melt flow it has been common knowledge that a higher number is an easier flow from the processing side of things, this due to the fact of shorter molecular chains. Other things are given up for this easier flow, but when looking at it from a viscosity point the easier flow is less viscous and the harder flow is more viscous. This could be the difference between a 60 melt and 1 melt material of the same family. It is also common for manufactures to list process conditions, for example polypropylene:

            Below 4 mfr is low flow and suggested melt temperature range of 475-525F /246-274C

                4-10 mfr is a medium flow and suggested melt temperature range of 445-475 / 228-274C

                10-20 mfr is a high flow and suggested melt temperature range of 400-445 F / 200-228C

                Above 20 mfr is an extra high flow and melt temperature range of 385-420 F / 196-215 C

 

The above illustrates that there is more heat necessary to flow a material that is of lower melt flow than that of higher melt flow, basically the thick viscosity requires more heat than that of thin viscosity. The important thing to remember here is that polypropylene is a semi crystalline material and also that the data above is generic. Could the polypropylene listed be run at lower temperature, probably. A side note here is that given the data it could be possible to jump up the flow of material via the melt flow and lower the melt temperature and thus reduce cycle time due to lower heat content to the material if in fact the physicals of the newer material meet requirements.

 

Understanding the test for melt flow is important. The definition is grams of material per 10 minutes. The standard test conditions vary for each type of material thus comparisons can only be done per material type under the same conditions. There are set weights, orifice size and temperatures per test condition. As has been written the melt flow test is a great test to determine the molecular weight of a material, and to that extent basically whether it has a long chain or a short chain. It is also great at determining whether the processed material has been degraded by comparing the original material and ground up parts to each other and comparing the flowabilty of the material. I.e. did processing destroy the materials physicals. This based on chain length, basically comparing the numbers on the melt flow test, is the finished products melt flow within 15% of the original virgin pellets melt flow.

 

And yes as a molder or processor they will look at melt flow and say it should or shouldn't work in our mold, or if they are having issue with a low flow material will jump to a higher flow material, which in the end is a viscosity change. 

 

Point: For Newtonian fluids, viscosity is a temperature- dependant constant, regardless of flow rate. For Non-Newtonian fluids, the viscosity varies not only with temperature but also with shear rate.

 

 

Now with injection molding the material is sheared. Depending on this shear rate there is a change in viscosity of a particular material. This issue is called non-Newtonian flow. Basically water is Newtonian in flow, while thermoplastics are Non-Newtonian flow. If plastics are injected faster the material tends to flow easier, this due to shear and alignment of the molecular chains.  Basically think of the fountain flow effect, one end of the chain attaches to the wall and as it flows stretches out to become elongated thus not tangled, the other now act similar and we get orientation in flow which now cause the chains to flow easier (they slip over one another). Understand that speed of injection, gate size of our mold (or smallest orifice in molding system) are what now act as our shear point causing orientation / elongation.  This will in effect lower the viscosity. Note that if we stop the flow the stress / elongation of the molecules will come to play and re-tangle and shorten up. This can be seen in poor injection control from fill to pack when there is a hesitation in packing and the result is a short shot. Basically the switchover time is too great and when finally applying pressure to material it has lost its orientation thus does not flow as easily or at all in some cases.

 

Now if using a Campus data base for material it will provide the viscosity curves of the material, or sometimes the material supplier will provide. These are using lab instruments and results are in a log to log scale which produces a straight line on a graph. The data is great information on flowabilty, but to someone on the floor it is hard to interpret. 

 

One way of doing things is to create a relative viscosity curve using the injection molding machine and a mold. It is stated as relative as it is for that mold and that mold only.

What is done is that the machine and mold are used to generate the numbers / data so as to do the math and than plot the curve. What this shows is that the faster we push the material, (short fill time) we have a lower viscosity number and the slower we push the material (long fill time) we have a higher viscosity number.

 

                        F x T = RV

            F= force in plastic pressure

            T= time to travel a set distance

 

                        1/T = shear rate

 

Now the calculations are such that we multiply the force (F) times the time (T) and plot this over the reciprocal of the time (Shear Rate) on an XY chart. There are certain precautions that need to be taken and standards that should be met in order to perform the test. One issue in performing the test is pushing only a set volume of material into the mold each time, thus this becomes a constant for that mold. Basically the shot size is never altered once it has been established.

 

The results show visibly what is happening to the viscosity of the material when plotted out on the graph. It shows that pushing the material faster the material reduces viscosity and pushing it slower the viscosity increases. If in fact the test is preformed at 2 different temperatures it would show what actually happens, and where the temperature of material can play an effect in viscosity of the material.  If the machine is using different speeds of injections, profiling, it shows what happens at those speed settings in a relative manner.

 

 

 

In the end it is the shear rate, temperature of material and mold which have an effect on the flowabilty of the material, given that the equipment is robust enough to handle what is asked of it. This flowabilty is referred to as viscosity yet most will still go by melt flow or melt index which in effect is a result of low shear grams per ten seconds and compare to what is going on in the molding machine which is shooting at time grams per seconds.

 

To be continued

 

 

 

Distributor for:

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Beaumont Technologies, Inc.
2103 East 10th  Street

Erie, PA 16511

Telephone  814-899-6390

Fax   814-899-7117

www.beaumontinc.com

 
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When size, stress and repeatability definitely have to be identical from 1 cavity to 96 cavities in the parts, give me call, or give BTI a call direct and tell them Steve sent ya.

 
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Services

The following are brief descriptions of some of the services:

 

1-      Troubleshooting:  assisting in the processing

a.       Over the phone, or by E-mail.

b.      At your plant, (minimum of 4 hour charge)

2-      Design review of parts, prints, molds.

3-      Plant Audits,

a.       Review of  process setup

b.      Review your cooling program via basic numbers

c.       Material handling system

d.      Observations of  plant operations and flow

 

 

Plant audits can be done in either a 1 day quick observation or a multiple day detailed observation and review done on a machine by machine basis. Initially a 1 day quick observation gives the basis of what is going on. This does include a written report.

 

4-     Training / education programs. (many more than shown)

a.       Scientific Molding    The principles and details to molding by results.

b.      Mold design and part design    understanding the basics

c.       Materials, selecting materials and understanding data sheets

d.      Plant   the cooling system, layout and efficiencies

e.       Customize training / education programs developed.

 

5-      Mold optimizations / new mold trials

a.       Develop optimum fill speed and time

b.      Understand the pressure drop of your tool

c.       What is the gate freeze time

d.      What needs to be changed based on data.

e.       Record a process that is repeatable and consistent. If we can't than the why not.

6-      Other services

a.       program management

b.      material development  ( oversee with external assistance)

c.       testing of materials   (oversee with external sources)

d.      BTI MeltFlipperŽ   ( distributor for)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MeltFlipperŽ, is the registered trade mark of the Beaumont Technologies, Inc

 

Steven Silvey
Silveys' Plastic Consulting
PO BOX 5216, Vancouver, WA 98668
office: 360-882-3183 cell: 360-606-1156  fax: 360-882-3184

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