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January 5, 2012 - Issue 1191
First Issue published in October 1995!
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Progress Report
Our first 70 years
Reader Submitted...Photos
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery
Alan's Space
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Terry Baker
Welcome to our first NetLetter issue for 2012. Our best wishes go out to you all for a heathly and happy 2012.

This year will be a very special year for the NetLetter, the ACFamily Network, and Air Canada.

Believe it or not it's Air Canada's 75th Anniversary this year and although there are many non-Air Canada retirees subscribed to this NetLetter, the majority worked for either TCA or Air Canada at sometime in their lives, so we can all celebrate together.

We welcome you to allow the NetLetter to be your platform, and opportunity, to relive your history while working for either TCA, AC, CPAir, CAIL, PWA, AirBC, Wardair. etal. and share your experiences with us!

Terry Baker and the NetLetter Team

Progress Report - by Alan Rust
Alan's Space"
Change is good, donkey" -
quote from Shrek (ask your grandchildren).

Starting with this issue, we will gradually be introducing changes to the NetLetter, the ACFamily Network and the corresponding web sites related to both.
The changes will be made gradually so you may or may not notice them, but we have a lot of improvements planned and it has been a long time coming. We started the NetLetter in 1995 and the ACFamily Network in 1999 and although we have made substantial improvements over the years, they don't compare to what we will be offering you in th near future. Don't worry, everything you like about the NetLetter will remain, we are just expanding on what we now offer.
For the past few years, Terry has gone through three scanners in the process of indexing various "Between Ourselves" and "Horizons" Issues from 1941 up to 2003.
We have found a way to publish these issues online in a "flipbook" format where our readers will be able to view them. There are tools that will also allow you to "zoom in" to bring the text to a more readable level for our aging eyes.
We also plan to have them completely searchable so that those researching their genealogy, now or in the future will be able to find their parents, grandparents and great grandparents that worked for TCA and Air Canada there.

We'll have more news next week as we should be further along and have some examples of the new "stuff" to show you.


Alan Rust
Our first 75 years - Compiled by Terry Baker
AC 75 Years Anniversary1940 - Feb 15th - Inauguration of service to Moncton.
1975 - Feb 3rd - Expedair introduced into the U.S.


Reader Submitted Photos - Compiled by Terry Baker

Readers PhotosReader Submitted Photos - The photos and information below have been submitted to us by our faithful readers.


We welcome photos of interest from our readers. Check you cupboards and shoe boxes, I bet you have some good photos lkying around. If you do send them to us and we will consider them for publication in a future NetLetter. We prefer good quality airline related photos, with descriptive text and name (whenever possible) included with the submission.

Image Blank 200px Under the banner "Who says the Vickers Viscount is out of production" Robert Arnold sends us this information and photo. Just delivered today, Wednesday Nov 23, 2011.

This Viscount model is 1/48 scale with a wing span of about 23.5 inches and a length of about 20 inches. The whole aircraft was built from scratch and carved from wood. The airline titles were also made from scratch. The assigned registration is CF-THS. The model is almost too big for my tiny apartment but I will make a home for it even if I have to move out into the lobby. The chap who made it is amazing. Later he will be sending me photos he took during its production.


With Regards,
Robert from Winnipeg.

TCA/Air Canada People Gallery - Compiled by Terry Baker
TCA/Air Canada  LogoMusings from the "Between Ourselves" and "Horizons" magazine, an Air Canada publication from years gone by, and various in-house magazines.

In 1975, the TCA Alumni held their third annual Reunion for a week at Runaway Bay, Jamaica.
At that reunion 30 retirees out of a membership of 106 paid up members attended. During the reunion, a new slate of officers was elected They were Clint Morgan, Kay Milliken, Estelle Morgan Mikey Milliken, Max Eagles and Chuck Gibson.
(Does anyone have any information on the Alumni - Does it still exist - eds)

Image Blank 200px John Gallagher sends us this information and photo under the banner of "My best kept secret".

In 1953 as a junior F/O, I joined the CALPA Safety division to learn the technical side of the industry. Over the next 30+ years I was privileged to attend many safety, technical, and investigation meetings.


One of the most enjoyable and exciting episodes was being allowed to be the AC "flight test pilot' for the DC-9, deep stalls and the L-1011 high altitude steep turns, 10,000 ft emergency descents and zero braking landings. A few days later I was asked to sign official FAA documents and asked to include my engineering qualifications. I mentioned I was simply a local farm boy, ADD & Dyslexic, and never went to any school. AC Flight OPS replaced me with Captain Bob Christie, a YWG pilot with a real engineering degree. 


John D. Gallagher

Issue dated - August 1963
Some items gleaned from the "Between Ourselves" magazines.

Image Blank 200pxOn July 22nd, the company celebrated 20 years of Trans-Atlantic service. It was in 1943 when the service commenced operation with a Lancastrian aircraft, today the DC-8 is now utilized.

A FEW CHANGES - Over the Company's twenty years of Trans-Atlantic service there have been a few
changes ... the DC-8s travel approximately twice the speed of the Lancastrians of '43; there is better
meal service on the DC-8s; comfort in the air is AOK.


The photo is of the DC-8 twentieth anniversary flight crew bears witness to the fact that the warm smile is still one of the Company' s "trademarks".


From the left, members of the crew are: (top) R. Grenham. Purser; J. Harding. Navigator; Captain R.W. Welsh (first flew the Atlantic as Pilot in a Lancastrian in 1946); D. Davidson, Ramp Supervisor. London Airport (Davidson was Station Attendant at Prestwick during the days of the Lancastrian ); R. Kelly-Thorne, 2nd Officer; Stewardesses H. Wahlberg, M. Cossman. and M. Buchanan; and Capt. R.K . Walker. First Officer.

Issue dated - February 1975
From the "Horizons" magazine -

Image Blank 200pxSept Iles personnel had a good excuse for a party. For the first time since service began in 1955, the station passed the $2,000,000 revenue mark last year, a good omen for celebrating its 20th anniversary on the Air Canada route network this year.


Shown at the gathering are, back row, from the left MicheI Dube, Claud Sylvain, Guy Casista, Marc Andre Cloutier and Richard Lariviere


Second row, from the left: Mrs. Paul Cormier, Louise Casista, Jeannette Monlgrain, Mrs. Marc Andre Cloulier, Mrs. Alain Cloutier and Mrs. Johnny Gaudreau.


Front row, from the left: Alain Cloutier, Neri Cormier, Johnny Gaudreau, Denis Landry and Paul Cormier.

Issue dated - March 1975

Image Blank 200px These happy winners with their award cheques for $334 each are held by the first group suggestion winners who are,

from the left standing: Bert McCulloch, Foreman, Finishing Shop; Mechanics Art Brown, Paul Quesnel, Nelson Chatman, Dave Burnham, Andy Lawton, and Eric Jones (Lead).

Kneeling are Mechanics Ron Biggers and Fern Cadieux.

On the right are Derek Bone, Director, Aircraft Maintenance, and Dave Marleau, General Foreman, Finishing Shop.

Image Blank 200px The first of four cargo system meetings planned for 1975 was held in Montreal under the chairmanship of General Manager, Cargo, Don Richardson.


Regional cargo representatives from across the system attended the session which focused on cargo planning, selling and servicing aspects. Shown at the meeting are, seated, from the left: John Scott and Harry Medensky, Toronto; Emile Desnoyers, Personnel & Organization Planning, Montreal; Don Richardson, Anita David and Ron Law, Montreal.


Standing, from the left: Bob Phillips and Doug Powell, Toronto; Art Jones, Dorval; Lloyd Wedge, Ottawa; Craig Butters, Montreal; Mike Scullion, Los Angeles; Bruce Gibson and Gord Thorvaldson, MontreaI and Peter Dawson, Dorval.


Missing from the photograph are Doug Russell, Vancouver and Alf Devinish, London, Eng.

Image Blank 200px February 15 had its special moment for Moncton staff. On that day exactly 35 years ago, Trans-Canada Air Lines first scheduled ten-seat Lockheed 14-H-2 flight landed at Lakeburn airfieId marking the inauguration of passenger service to the New Brunswick city.


Flying time from Toronto was four hours, 48 minutes The return flight took place the same day, departing at 1830 hours. At the controls was Captain Jim Storie assisted by First Officer Roger Smith. Geneviev Mongeau was the stewardess.


In charge of setting up ground facilities at Moncton was AI Took, now a Vancouver Flight Dispatcher and the Company's longest service employee.

Our photo is of Capt. Jim Storie in front of a Lockheed 14-H-2 aircraft, the type he commanded when he flew the Moncton-Toronto inaugural in 1940.

Alan's Space - by Alan Rust
Alan's SpaceAmericas First Jet Flight - October 1942
- submitted by Alan Watson

This is a video of the first US jet 'way back in Oct 1942'. It is a classic piece of film - I wasn't even aware that America HAD a jet that early in the war, 10 months after Pearl Harbor!

This is a very interesting little piece of historical film. It covers
America 's entry into the Jet Age with the Bell P59A.

Note: My favorite part is about the installation of a $2 doorbell ringer to the dash of the P59A to provide vibration so the gauges wouldn't stick.

Ya' gotta' love it.... 
America's First Jet Flight, October 1942
America's First Jet Flight, October 1942
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc. People & Events
- Compiled by Terry Baker
CAIL TailsNews and articles from days gone by gleaned from various publications from C.A.I.L. and it's "ancestry" of contributing airlines.
Issue dated - July and October 1978
Items from the "CPAir NEWS" magazine -
Mystery Solved... Some months ago a passenger on aircraft 801 "Empress of Tokyo" reported seeing a snake in the cabin during a flight. Numerous remarks were made at the time regarding his sobriety, mental stability and optic perception. However. when 801 came into the hangar for overhaul late in June the following report was submitted to the operations group by Dick Fisher, assistant director of maintenance "The mystery of the small snake seen in the cabin of aircraft 801 some time ago has been solved. A small dehydrated snake about six to eight Inches long was found In the belly. When last seen, the expired reptile was lying in state in the overhaul supervisor's office."
Issue dated October 1978 -
$99.00 buys VIP treatment "Empress Economy Service" introduced October 29th on the Polar flights between western Canada and Amsterdam.
Effective June 1st, 1977,  CP Air employees and eligible dependants were able to travel on CP Air charters. More than 600 employees made use of the new policy during 1977.

Image Blank 200px SHARING a drink with Reg Nichols at his retirement party In Winnipeg was Buzz Bancrofl (fourth from left), CP Air's director of contracts. Others in the picture are (left to right) Bill Budsworth. former CP Air engineer, Eddie Richards. former CP Air pilot, Eddie Preece, director of maintenance for CP Air, Ted Qulrk, former CP Air pilot, Bill Smith, CP Air manager Line maintenance, and Laird Clarke, formerly with accessory shop, maintenance and engineering.
Issue dated - September 1978

Image Blank 200px STILL ABLE TO SMILE despite long hours and heavy workload during recent Air Canada shutdown, these Winnipeg reservation office staffers took a well-earned break from the phones to assemble for this picture. They are typical of CP Air people throughout the system who pitched in to help the travelling public (scheduled and charter), and cargo and mail customers under trying circumstances.


From left: Amy MacKelvie, Aileen Fiddler, John Zacharkow, Penny Schultiess and Thor Goodmanson. Seated are Kathryn Whillans-Dugas, left, and Gail Bennet.

Image Blank 200px NERVE CENTRE was operations planning and control section at Vancouver airport. Consulting on scheduling of extra sections were, from left: Joe Saftlch, payload controller; Les Mennie, supervisor, operations control, Guy Morrison, director, operations planning and control (standing); Pat Kelly, supervisor, schedule planning and Colin Cantlie, senior dispatcher.

Five members of CP Air's London, England office joined other airline employees taking part in a 20-milesponsored walk Sept. 17 to raise money for the British Eye Trust, an organization which sponsors research into diseases of the eye and supports sufferers of the disease.

Walking the route from the Tower of London to Batter Sea Gardens and return were leader John (Legs) Osbome, and team members Anne (Speedy) Walker, Carol (Flash) FIisher, Heather (Twlnkletoes) Weston and Maggie (Collapsln') Coombe.

According to John his team was ready to complete the walk by the time the pubs opened!

(No photo accompanied this article, perhaps the walkers had already hit the pubs - eds)

Image Blank 200px SMALL BUT PRODUCTIVE staff at the word processing department under Yvonne Saretsky (right) are from left: Word processing operators at the Ops centre Vancouver are Sandy Yates, Glenna Beitel, Velma Wall, Simone Prince, Johanna Pavelic, Sheila Wade and Yvonne Lukas (seated).

Reader's Feedback - Compiled by Terry Baker
Reader's Feedback 
Every week we ask our readers for their stories or  feedback on what they have read here in previous issues. Below is the feedback we have received recently. 

Image Blank 200px Jan Wegman has suggested these names for the two Stewardesses in this photo in NetLetter nr 1188 under Readers submitted photos - I "think" the FA's in the picture are Doreen Zenert and Elisabeth Wegman.

Jan  Wegman FSD ret.


Referring to the article in Alan's Space in NetLetter nr 1188, Dwayne Hunt sends this correction - ROOMY - On the 1968 747 etc.  Rushing the season a bit, the B747 first flew February 1969 and didn't go into service with PAN AM until 1970. I was at Boeing Seattle at the time on training for the B707 Dwayne Hunt (F/E).  


Tony Man Son Hing has spotted this error and sets the record straight -
In the recent issue of Netletter #1188. The picture of Horizons magazine and NorOntair -Air Canada  has Capt Raymond's name incorrect or a misprint as Taymond.
Capt Larry Raymond is currently with Jazz Air Inc (AC Express) in Toronto. 

Regards Tony Man Son Hing ret'd

Image Blank 200px Dave Peters responds to the questions in NetLetter nr 1180 which Jim Griffiths posed -
Thought I might try and answer your question.
First, on the question of RADAR, and here are two photos. 

The first aircraft with provision for RADAR installation in the TCA fleet was c/n 220 we have pictures taken at the factory of 218 and 220 we also have a line photo of 219 before and after provisions for a radome so she must have been modified after delivery.

The interesting bit is the nose cone is large enough for RADAR but it's metal unlike later photos which show a composite nose. I would have to assume Vickers made a production change so operators could install Radar at the factory or at a later date, in TCA's case it would appear the RADAR was installed in the fleet starting in 1959. We have two photos of TCA's last Viscount TGI the first photo shows the long nose in June 1959 and the second in 1960 shows the composite nose cone, from these photos I would say all RADAR installations were done in house by TCA.

Image Blank 200pxQuestion 2 the Autopilot
TCA as we know had modifications done which included North American instruments and Radios, the autopilot used by Vickers at the time was not compatible with the changes made. Clayton Glen has confirmed that the Collins auto pilot and flight director system were installed by TCA after delivery. I don't know when the autopilots were installed or if later models had them installed at the factory.
Hope this helps. Dave 




Jim McCall sends us this memory -
Like Norman Hogwood in Netletter 1186, I can remember the road across the main runway at PIK.. like many more, I walked across it every day going to school and back... and yes,  being hurried along by many a policeman with a polite warning to 'get a move on'.  Don't worry Norman, you were not singled out for special attention - they did not give ANYONE a lift across, I think it was self-preservation!  In those days PIK was also a USAF base and the flying was varied, both commercial and military and you had to have a good turn of speed if one of the military boys decided to take off after a short taxi!

Ironic that I should end up working for AC thereafter, from 1968, for 29 years, the majority based at PIK.  Happy days, what a great station, and great people. Also, like Norman, I was able to take my mother on one of the short inter Europe flights that we were then able to use, in our case between PIK and CPH, and it was only then that she informed me that the only other flight she had ever taken was on a Liberator 'on a test flight' around PIK sitting on a wooden box, during the WW2 Air-bridge operations. She at that time served with the Land Army on the duty crew at PIK.

So much to remember, 11.11.11. Keep up the great work with the NetLetter...

Jim McCall 61109(rtd)

Terry Baker responded -
My only recollection with Prestwick was, with three co-workers from YUL, playing golf at Old Troon, back in the 70's when the cost was only a quid. Across the railway was another famous course, and the guys thought they would like to play there the following year, so we wrote to the course and asked for tee times on a certain day, and the reply we got was that they would confirm providing we made our request on our club's headed paper - well we were just a bunch of guys. The letter did go on to say that we were welcome to visit the clubhouse, but the ladies were only allowed on the terrace.  So we never went back to Prestwick.  But well remember the pub, the Troon Flower?  in the village.

You mentioned your trip to CPH brings to mind that in earlier years, when the route was YUL-PWK-LHR, The PWK-LHR leg had a section on the aircraft reserved just for boarding passengers, as they were not allowed duty free items, so they were kept separate from the YUL originating passengers.

Jim McCall countered with -
The very first flight I ever took was on the PIK-LHR-PIK sector on a DC8-63 and I was going to a 'Cargo Rating' course run by Slim Yetter in the only just opened Cargo Terminal at Shoreham Road, LHR. We were the first live course in that terminal.and no cargo had even gone through the shed at that time. That was Feb 1969, and I returned home on Feb 28 and got engaged to my wife of 40 Years, Julie. Fortunately I also passed the course!

And you would not even get a glass of lemonade for your 1 these days, I believe a round at Royal Troon is around 200, if you have a certificate from your own club, but at least the ladies are now allowed in the clubhouse.
Best regards Jim 

Terry's Trivia and Travel Tips - by Terry Baker

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Smileys - Compiled by Terry Baker
As we surf the internet and back issues of airline magazines we regularly find airline related jokes and cartoons. Below is our latest discovery.
Image Blank 200px Here is a cartoon by Dave Mathias from "Between Ourselves" issued August 1963.
(Of course the comapny is discouraging this practice by now introducing seat selection - at a cost - eds)

Image Blank 200px Another of the futuristic Air Canada cargo transports from the 1979 Cargo Calendar supplied by Allan Gray.
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