The NetLetter
 For Air Canada Retirees

October 4th, 2010 - Issue 1134
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In This Issue
Our first 70 years
Air Canada Related News.
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery
Alan's Space
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc
Reader's Feedback
Odds & Ends
Terry's Trivia
About us

The NetLetter Web Site
The NetLetter Web Site

ACFamily Network
ACFamily Links
Air Canada Pionairs

Project North Star

ACFamily Obituaries
Terry Baker

We welcome you to allow the NetLetter to be your platform, and opportunity, to relive your history while working for either TCA, AC, CPAir, CAIL, PWA, AirBC etal. and share your experiences with us!

The NetLetter is an email newsletter published every weekend and contains a mixture of nostalgia, current news and travel tips. We encourage our readers to submit their stories, photos and/or comments from either days gone by or from present day experiences and trips. If we think that the rest of our readers will enjoy it, we will publish it here

We also welcome your feedback in regard to anything we post here. Many readers have commented with additional information, names and personal memories from the photos and articles presented here.
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Our first 70 years - Compiled by Terry Baker
Trans-Canada Air Lines/Air Canada


  • Lockheed L10A registered CF-TCA donated to Aviation Museum in Ottawa.
  • June 16th - New non-stop service between Calgary and Montreal introduced.with DC-8 equipment.

1955 - April 1st  - First turbine powered scheduled flight in North America was a TCA Viscount Montreal to Winnipeg, with Capt. Walter Kent and Capt. Dave Tribe in command. (A recent interview was with Dave Tribe by CHEKNEWS TV while on the Viscount at the BC Museum in Victoria)

Air Canada Related News - Compiled by Terry Baker
Air Canada News

* Effective May 1, 2010, the only forms of payment accepted for onboard duty-free purchases on Air Canada flights* will be: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Diners Club and Japanese Credit Bureau credit cards where food, alcoholic beverages or duty-free items are sold.

Please note that cash, debit cards and traveler's cheques are NOT accepted.
    * The maximum allowable onboard credit card purchase is $500 CAD per person.
    * Duty-free is not offered on our Embraer aircraft.
    * This excludes Jazz flights
On November 6, 2010 we will begin weekend service (Saturday and Sunday) between Vancouver and Mexico City that will increase to daily service starting December 1. All flights will be operated with Airbus A319 aircraft
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery - Compiled by Terry Baker
TCA/Air Canada LogoMusings from the "Between Ourselves" magazine an Air Canada publication from years gone by.
Issue dated - May 1968
Musings from the "Between Ourselves" magazine -
CF-TCA 1968

The Lockheed L10A registration CF-TCA being prepared for donating to the National Museum of Science and Technology at the Aviation Museum in Ottawa. Here is a photo of mechanics Helmut Schultz, Stan Fafoutis, Marcel Bourdeau, and Pat Fay performing some checks.
Over 65 Club - 1968

who visited the Finance department in Winnipeg recently for a tour of the facilities are shown with some of the departments' staff.

From the left, standing, top photo are: Daphne Farrow (hostess), Bob Russell, Alec Morrow, Fred Engels, Harry Young, Bill Norberg Sr., and Dave Gibson (Finance Representative).

Seated are: Alfred Chapman, Louis Friend, Francis Smith, Gordon Kossots, and Ernie Bell.

Lower photo from the left standing: Shirley Hughes (hostess) George Pilbeam, Adam Ursel, George Magel, Jack Hill, and Hcnry Keil (Comptroller).

Seated are: Jim MacWilliams, Dick Fryer, Harry Coward, Frank Ziegler, and Joe Elliott.

(We asked Bill Norberg about this Club, and he sends us this response -eds)

"Yes I do remember that organization. It was started by the first retirees in YWG. Oddly my father was one of the original members.

When I was running the YWG Base in 1967 through 1969, my wife  and I along with Al and Pat Johnston turned it into a husband and wife affair We had the first husband and wife meeting in the Purchases and Stores building on Ferry Road. It was a pot
luck affair that was a great success. It was the start of the Winnipeg Retirement Club that still exists."

John Norberg

Issue dated - July 1968

Gord Fonstone Anniversary

Among the many friends who gathered to honour Gord Fonstone on his 30 year anniversary and early retirement from the Company were a number of long service Winnipeg Management friends.

Shown from the left foreground are: S. Purves, Maintenance Superintendent - Viscount; R. P. Hughes, Engineering Superintendent; and S. Mobberley, Maintenance Superintendent - Units.

Standing from the left are: D. H. Clifford, Supervisor Training and Publications, and Master of Ceremonies; Fanstone; W. F. Moore, Supervisor, Administrative Services; S. D. Bennett, Economic and Production Services Superintendent; and E. J. Baudru, Quality Superintendent.

Issue dated - November 1968

Air Canada redesigned the Pitot Master and equipped its entire fleet of aircraft with alcohol fluid de-icing vanes on the front of the pitot static masts to prevent false airspeed and altitude readings when flying in icing conditions.


Air Canada was the first airline to equip its fleet with alcohol de-icing nozzle ahead of the windscreen to obtain de-icing coverage of the complete windscreen.


Air Canada also introduced electric de-icing of aerodynamic surfaces.

Alan's Space - by Alan Rust
Alan's Space
Alan Rust

The Birth of a Jet -
sent to us by Bill Wood

This is a 13 minute vintage '50's documentary video extolling the virtues of the DC-8 when it first flew. There is some footage of the Long Beach plant before Boeing and the Douglas Airpark. It's a great video on the DC-8.

Ah, the good old days.  Turn on your sound and enjoy some aviation nostalgia.

DC8 Birth of a Jet
Birth of a Jet
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc. People & Events
- Compiled by Terry Baker
CAIL TailsNews and articles from days gone by gleaned from various publications from C.A.I.L. and it's "ancestry" of contributing airlines.

Below we have a couple of photos found on the, and brought to our attention by Deanna Wong who said she would pass these photos onto her friend Ronnie Pun, retired CP Sales Rep. HKG. Ronnie now lives in Vancouver and he'll be so pleased. Methinks he wants to share these happy photo memories with his former HKG staffers
First Photo - 1968 Annual Regional Meeting - Hong Kong & S.E. Asia. HKG
Annual Reginal Meeting HKG 1968

From left standing:
M.S. Huang, manager Taiwan; Stephen Wong, cargo sales HKG; John Cheung, passenger sales HKG; Michael Lin, cargo sales manager HKG, Montri Amphaipan, manager Thailand; Nijhawan, manager India; Ronald Pun, passenger sales HKG; Tommie Shiu, passenger sales HKG; S.H. Fock, manager Singapore/Malaysia.

From left sitting:
Rafael Tossan, passenger sales manager HKG & Macao; Art Kramer, manager cargo sales system YVR; Nancy Wong, manager CTO/RSO HKG; Ed Ogden, regional manager Asia TYO; Diana Chan, passenger sales HKG; Ralph Woodman, manager HKG & S.E. Asia HKG; Gil Peligrin, manager Philippine. (picture courtesy: Ronald Pun)

Second Photo - 1970 Hong Kong staff -
HKG Staff 1970

Rafael Tossan, sales manager; Miss Helen Mok, secretary; Ms. Helena Hsu, ground hostess Kai Tak Airport; Miss Rita Moy, secretary; Mike Lemmon, manager HKG & S.E. Asia; Ronald Pun, sales representative; Miss Elisa Tam, secretary; Jim Rogers, station manager Kai Tak Airport; Mandarin hotel staff; Peter Mathew, passenger sales manager S.E. Asia. (picture courtesy of Ronald Pun)

Reader's Feedback - Compiled by Terry Baker
Reader's Feedback
Every week we ask our readers for their stories or  feedback on what they have read here in previous issues. Below is the feedback we have received recently.

Jannet Tricarico
, President of the Pionairs, has sent us some memorabilia - (see below)

I found these 2 old timetables from TCA 1963 and Air Canada from 1974. Also a European information TCA pamphlet from 1961 (FLY Europe)  with inside details and description of all the cities in Europe to visit with TCA and some fun information:
Denmark Hotel rates:
  • Single Deluxe $6.00
  • First Class Single $4.00
  • Second Class Single $2.50
France Hotel rates:
  • From $5.45 - 11.80 (winter)
  • From $7.25 - 16.00 (summer)
for 2 persons including breakfast ... that was the good ol' days

regards  Jannet

More airline timetable can be viewed at


TCA Pamphlet 1961

Timetable 1963

Timetable 1974

Bill Bartlett sends his comments regarding the mystery photo in NetLetter nr 1131 and John Ohlsson information in NetLetter nr 1132 -

I agree with John Ohlsson, it does look like Johnny Robulak (I'm fairly sure of my spelling) and Herve Lesage.  I'm not positive but in front of the "M" could be Wally Rowan and to his left Gord Sanders (respectively, not necessarily at that point in time but at least later, from YYC and YQV).  Some other faces look somewhat familiar but names escape me. Perhaps it was a Station Managers meeting.

With all due respect to John, my memory is that Western Region HQ had moved to YVR by 1950 as it was there when I started with TCA as a YVR temporary Station Attendant on the midnight shift April 14, 1950 and John was my first boss. I think his title was Station Controller (and I really enjoyed working for/with him).  Please pass my best regards and good wishes to John via Dave.

Bill Bartlett

Roy Mendes has sent us this information -

I have just read your article on the Netletter #1130 as well as #1128, regarding the woman who tried to open the aircraft door with the aircraft pressurized. The article on issue #1130 states that aircraft doors are plug type and therefore cannot be opened when the aircraft is pressurized. This is true if you are referring to the West Jet aircraft which is a B737. Those doors are plug type doors. This however is not true for the door example picture you featured on said article. Having spent the last 20 years as a Technical Instructor for Air Canada, and having conducted courses on both Boeing and Aircraft doors, I can assure you without a doubt that, because of their design and door opening movement, all Airbus doors can be opened with the aircraft pressurized up to approximately 1psid. 

Boeing doors must move inwards first against pressurization before they can be opened. It stands to reason that you have to work against pressurization, in order to open the door and that is impossible.

Airbus doors however are designed to slide upwards then outward parallel to the aircraft. All that you have to overcome is the friction of the door stop fittings against frame stop fittings as the door slides upward and as soon as these clear the door will open.

Air Canada had an incident in Winnipeg the 1990s where a Maintenance Engineer opened an A320 aircraft door with the aircraft partially pressurized and he was seriously injured. I also read of an incident in Miami where a flight attendant tried to open an Airbus door in and emergency situation and once again the aircraft was pressurized and he was thrown from the aircraft and died. Airbus doors can be opened with the aircraft pressurized.

There is even a pressure light on the window sill of all doors that will flash if the door is disarmed and the pressure difference between the inside and outside of the aircraft is greater than .00362 psid.

Please see the article at:

Roy S. Mendes
Retired Technical Instructor
Odds & Ends - Compiled by Terry Baker
Odds & Ends Dave Micheals has sent us information of a short video called "Flying the Connie", which you may enjoy viewing and which may bring back some memories of the past.

To view the video click on image below.
Fly the Connie
Flying the Connie

Boeing B787

Bill Wood sends us this interesting photo of the Boeing B787 at Farnborough, UK.

Another neat 787 photo, this one is from the Farnborough Air Show which is happening right now in England. 

The airplanes are WWII era (Battle of Britain, etc.) Super marine Spitfires...a formation with two of the most beautiful airplane designs in the world flying together for the first time.

Jim Griffith sends us this information -

Newspaper article on Earth Angels Rising from Vancouver Island newspaper "TODAY".
Earth Angels RisingCowichan war-time radioman part of a dying breed Earth Angels Rising chronicles the heroes of the Ferry Command Wartime exploits of unsung Cowichan war hero Gordon Stemson, and other Ferry Command flyboys, are chronicled in Ted Beaudoin's forthcoming book Earth Angels Rising.

The illustrated 400-some pager is due by summer's end from the Welland, Ont. writer/radio man Stemson, 96, has several claims to fame after helping deliver bombers over the Atlantic to Churchill's imperiled England.

He explained. "Stemson's one of the few (Ferry Command vets) left in the world," Beaudoin told the News Leader Pictorial that featured Stemson in a 2007 exclusive.

"Also, from the transcript he sent (Montreal war veterans rights lobbyist) Louis Lang, it looks like Stemson was the first to spot the Bismarck, but someone else got the credit for it."

However, Stemson told the Leader he didn't find the infamous Nazi battleship before it was sunk in 1940 by Allied ships after it destroyed Britain's beloved battleship Hood.
"I never did see the Bismarck," Stemson said Aug. 13.
But not for lack of trying.
"We looked in the Greenland region," he said of his crew delivering a four-motor B24 across the pond. "We were 19 hours looking for it the first day and 16 hours the second day.
"They stripped our plane down to carrying gasoline to look for the Bismarck, but we didn't find her."

Some historians claim an American pilot spotted the Bismarck first.
Aviation author Beaudoin, 69, simply wants to set the record straight by writing about guys like Stemson and the Royal Air Force Transport Command's Ocean Ferry.
"I just want to finish these books before these veterans die."
The Ferry Command flew 9,442 aircraft to England over waters swarming with German U-boats that paralyzed wartime shipping.
"Ferry Command pioneered flying over the Atlantic in the middle of winter, and that hadn't been done before," said Beaudoin.
'Without these civilians, we'd have a different world today.
"These were unarmed civilians flying unarmed aircraft over enemy waters."

Earth Angels Rising is the second book in Beaudoin's aviation trilogy Walking on Air.
"This book is a long-overdue tribute to nearly 3,500 civilians from 22 or more countries who played a key role in rescuing the Allied Armed Forces and helped save the world from the ravages of German and Japanese invasions of Europe, Africa and much of China and the Far East," he said.

Between 1938 and 1943, brave, smart volunteers such as Stemson helped man the Ferry Command for the Allied Armed Forces.
"It was an incredible world-wide and civilian-driven airplane delivery method which military giants would imitate by the end of 1943 - creating their own unique aircraft delivery fleets under a variety of names - all with some form of the words Ferry Command."

Those plane couriers included the United States Army Air Force Ferry Command, and transport commands of the Royal Canadian Air Force and the Royal Air Force.

Beaudoin's sources span photos, archives, veterans, letters, vets' families, government staff and much more for his fact-loaded trilogy.

Folks with Ferry Command facts can call Beaudoin at 905-714-1788.

- Peter W. Rusland, Cowichan News Leader
Terry's Trivia and Travel Tips - by Terry Baker
Terry Baker
Terry Baker
Shannon Airport said in late August that it will increase its "passenger charge" by €1.58 ($2.03) to €6.32 per passenger, the first pricing increase since 2004.

Rene Foss

Vern Swerdfeger sends us this url which you may enjoy viewing.

Click here for more information

It's an interview with Rene Foss by CNN regarding her book "Around the world in a bad mood" and relates tales of the flight attendant. Also this is now a Broadway musical.
    * Longtime flight attendant stars in comedy musical revue about her life in the air
    * Rene Foss always wanted to be in show business, had bit part in a soap opera
    * She wrote the play after being frustrated about not getting acting jobs
    * Foss: "I hope people get comic relief"

Questions Flight Attendants Deal With
Is this your regular route?
Where are we?
Can I move up to first class?
What river is that?
Do you have raspberry kiwi iced tea?
Where are you staying tonight?
Are you married?
Can you take this diaper?
Can I borrow your pen?
Can I use your Chapstick?
Do you have a refrigerator?
Source: "Around the World in a Bad Mood!"

The German government approved a highly criticized air passenger duty tax, which took effect Wednesday for bookings beginning Jan. 1, 2011.

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said he does not expect that airlines will suffer from the tax. Instead, he said, carriers will pass it on to their passengers. Passengers boarding flights in Germany will be charged €8 for domestic and intra-European short-haul flights, €25 for medium-haul flights and €45 for long-haul flights.
If, while driving your own vehicle,  you're involved in an accident while traveling outside the province you should notify your insurer immediately, just as you would while at home. You must notify the police and keep a record of your police file number. Most companies have a toll-free 24-hour emergency claims number for 24-hour claims service. Remember to remove your valuables, including your insurance papers and license plates.

If, while driving your own vehicle, you're involved in an accident while traveling outside the province you should notify your insurer immediately, just as you would while at home. You must notify the police and keep a record of your police file number. Most companies have a toll-free 24-hour emergency claims number for 24-hour claims service. Remember to remove your valuables, including your insurance papers and license plates.
Smileys - Compiled by Terry Baker
By your Chief pilot -
Today's teens, with all their texting, probably think they are inventing a new language with their shortened words. This type of language has been around for years, especially since the advent of teletypes when companies paid by the character.

In the airline industry I recall several such as wilco, pax, wx, flt, AOK, HQ, tfc, psd and airport codes to name a few which come to mind.

We hope you have enjoyed this issue of the NetLetter, see you next week!

Your NetLetter Team
First published in October, 1995
  • Chief Pilot - Terry Baker
  • Co-pilot - Alan Rust, Surrey, B.C.
  • Flight Engineer - Bill Rowsell, Londesboro, Ontario
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