The NetLetter
 For Air Canada Retirees

July 24, 2010 - Issue 1130
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In This Issue
Women in Aviation
Our first 70 years
Star Alliance News
Air Canada Related News.
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery
Alan's Space
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc
Reader's Feedback
Odds & Ends
Terry's Trivia
About us
Terry, Vesta & Alan Pionair's AGM 2007

Terry, Vesta & Alan
The NetLetter Web Site
The NetLetter Web Site

ACFamily Network
ACFamily Links
Air Canada Pionairs

Project North Star

ACFamily Obituaries
Vesta Stevenson
Vesta Stevenson

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Women in Aviation - Compiled by Terry Baker
Eight Decades of Flight Attendants
On May 15, 1930, United Airlines' stewardesses went to work for the first time, led by registered nurse Ellen Church. With 14 passengers on board one of United's Boeing 80As, embarked on the 1,850 mile (2,970km) journey between Oakland/San Francisco and Chicago, cruising at 125mph - it took 20 hours to complete and included 13 stops.
Eighty years later, on May 15, 2010
United Flight Attendants
United Flight Attendants
, United commemorated the anniversary by flying one of its B767s on what is now a four-hour non-stop journey with nearly 240 customers and cruising at approximately 530mph. On the service, United's flight attendants wore vintage uniforms that provided a visual timeline of glamour and style leading up to 2011 when all its 'customer-facing' employees will dress in new uniforms created by fashion designer Cynthia Rowley.
ACRA DISCOUNTS! - Compiled by Patricia Watt
ACRA DiscountsPatricia Watt - YYZ ACRA has been busy compiling a long list of discounts for Air Canada/ACRA members and retirees. To see the full list of discounts, visit Discounts are available for the folowing venues:
  • Splash Canyon Water Park & Resort
  • Tickets At Work
  • Africian Lion Safari
  • Casino Rama Shows
  • Rose Theatre Brampton
  • 2010 Canadian National Exhibition
  • African Lion Safari 2010
  • Canada's Wonderland 2010
  • Medieval Times 2010
  • Ontario Place 2010
  • Toronto Zoo - 2010
  • Perkopolis - 2010
  • Wild Water Kingdom - 2010
Our first 70 years - Compiled by Terry Baker
Trans-Canada Air Lines/Air Canada1954 - Sept - A further 3 Vickers Viscount aircraft ordered in addition to the 15 already on order.
1968- Ten Lockheed L1011 ordered worth $175 million. First six delivered 1972.
Star Alliance News - Compiled by Terry Baker
Star Alliance
Star Alliance
Star Alliance connects you with Star employees. Recently launched, is where employees from all 28 Star carriers can get to know the Star Alliance better, get the latest Star Alliance news, make or find friends at other Star Alliance airlines, share ideas, join in discussions of interest, share photos, provide travel tips, publish travel stories, Tweet and much more! See what "all Star" employees are up to now at 
Air Canada Related News - Compiled by Terry Baker
Air Canada News On July 14th it was announced that daily, non-stop service between Toronto and New Orleans will be starting on October 30, 2010. This new route will be operated with a 75-seat, Jazz CRJ 705 aircraft featuring Executive and Economy class service and seatback, personal audio-visual entertainment throughout the aircraft.
Regional flight schedule enhancements will be the launching of a new daily service between Gander and Labrador, commencing August 2, 2010. The new flights provide direct service between Gander and Goose Bay with continuing service to Wabush and Sept-îles, Québec . Flights will be operated by our commercial partner Exploits Valley Air Services (EVAS) using an 18-seat washroom-equipped Beechcraft 1900D. Flying time between Gander and Goose Bay is 1 hour 35 minutes. The Labrador route complements existing daily flights between both Gander-St. John's and Gander-Halifax.
Effective September 7, 2010, a fifth flight will be added between Vancouver and Fort St. John in northern BC. Flights will be operated by Jazz with 50-seat CRJ aircraft
TCA/Air Canada People Gallery - Compiled by Terry Baker
TCA/Air Canada LogoMusings from the "Between Ourselves" magazine an Air Canada publication from years gone by.
interior-L10aWe have received these 5 photos of TCA aircraft which may be of interest -

Interior of the Lockheed L10

interior-constellationInterior of Super Constellation.
arriving-by-L10aArriving by Lockheed L10A.
North Star InteriorInterior of a North Star.
viscount-windowViscount window seat.

Issue dated - September 1954
Musings from the "Between Ourselves" magazine.

Stan Moncrieff from the YVR Traffic Department takes over the editorship if "Between Ourselves" from Betty Davidson who has held this position for the past four years.
Flight Engineers
TCA's first group of Flight Engineers is shown receiving their licenses from Capt. J.L.Rood,
From left to right: Boyd Moore, Maurice Fellows, Aubrey Cooke, Joe Held, Eric Grimmet, Tom Woodhouse.
Besides flying the line, they will be instructors in the Flight Engineering Training School at Dorval.

Issue dated - October 1954
Musings from the "Between Ourselves" magazine.
connieHere we have the interior of the Super Constellation - a far cry from what is offered in the Boeing B777 today.
Alan's Space - by Alan Rust
Alan Rust
Alan's Space
Flying Aero Yacht - 1913
In the early twentieth century, an avant-garde designer built a huge airplane to fly across the Atlantic Ocean.  A short article, titled  "An Aero Yacht," in the December 13, 1913 edition of Scientific American provides us with these interesting details:
"An enormous flying machine has recently been completed at Dutch Island, near Savannah, Georgia, by Capt. Matthew A. Batson, United States Army, retired.  The construction of the machine occupied seven months, and it cost $50,000. It weighs 5,000 pounds, and the inventor of it claims an additional lifting capacity of two tons.


Air Yacht 1913
Air Yacht 1913

 "The machine is equipped with twelve large wing planes, one pair having a spread of 39½ feet, and four pair with a spread of 37½ feet, while a sixth pair has a spread of 30 feet.  The wings are peculiarly designed with the purpose of guiding the air currents inwardly toward the body of the machine and there banking them under the base portion of the wings, which are concaved underneath and carried back along the chassis, so that the currents of air are conducted along the parts nearest the chassis.  Any wing, or set of four wings or all twelve may have their angle of incidence changed at the will of the pilot by the turn of a wheel while the machine is in full flight.

"The machine is equipped with three Emerson aeroplane engines, of six cylinder type, installed in the floor of the pilot house.  Combined, these engines will supply 250 horse-power, driving the propellers at 1,000 revolutions per minute.  Any one of the engines may be thrown out of or into action by the operation of a clutch.
"The cabin of the machine is 27 feet long, and is constructed of cypress paneling 3/8 of an inch thick, over which is a covering of canvas.
"The lifeboat is made of three ply cypress and ash with inter-layers of canvas.  The length of the machine is 74 feet and the boat 33 feet.
"It is by far the most elaborate hydro-aeroplane ever attempted.  The inventor expects to fly across the Atlantic in this machine.  We have yet to learn what it will do in flight."
Note from Alan: As you may have guessed, this was before the "Law of Diminishing Returns" was invented, and the Flying Aero Yacht never actually flew.
Canadi>n/CP Air/PWA, Wardair, etc. People & Events
- Compiled by Terry Baker
CAIL TailsNews and articles from days gone by gleaned from various publications from C.A.I.L. and it's "ancestry" of contributing airlines.
Issue dated - may 1999
Extracts from the "Canadi>n Flyer" magazine
Promo shot - 1999
To introduce the new colours for Canadi>n, a two day photo shoot was carried out with a Lear 25 jet specially equipped to take the shots for a TV movie to promote the "Proud Wings B747". Here is the B747 flying north of Vancouver along the Sunshine Coast during the air-to-air shoot.

Inauguration of the service between Edmonton and Chicago took place April 6th with  B737 equipment.
Oneworld "OWL" Team
Members of the Oneworld Team in Montreal - termed "OWL" - provides 24 hour coverage problem solving information to oneworld passengers, no matter where in the world the passenger is calling from. This photo has from left to right:
Raymond Talon, Ginette Martin, Sue Audin, Franca Caruso, Lorraine Dube, Carole Charbonneau, Philomena Ferreira.
InterCanadian in brief
Beginning with the formation of Air Rimouski in 1946, InterCanadian boasts a proud history of providing reliable air service to residents of Quebec for more than 50 years.
The first signs of expansion started in 1948 when the airline began operating DC3 aircraft to service both shores of the St.Lawrence region in 1952, the airline's name was changed to Quebecair and remained that way until 1987, when it incorporated its current name, InterCanadian.
At the time of its purchase from Canadian Regional in June 1998 by a group of Ontario businessmen, the company operated 10 ATR-42 aircraft and had more than 400 employees. In 1999, the company operated 16 ATR-42s and three Fokker F28s and is negotiating to acquire additional aircraft to allow for further expansion. It now has approximately 970 employees.
As part of the June 1998 handover, it was agreed InterCanadian would continue to operate the existing network, with the addition of several key routes in Ontario. These routes included Kingston, Sault Ste. Marie and Toronto.
On August 20, 1998, InterCanadian announced an aggressive expansion of its commercial agreement with CDN with the addition of former Air Atlantic routes. This expansion further increased the size of its network to include the Atlantic provinces and the following destinations: Charlo, N.B.; Charlottetown, P.E.I.; Deer Lake, Nfld.; Fredericton, N.B.; Stephenville, Nfld.; St. John's, Nfld.; Sydney, N.S.; and Boston, Mass.
In less than one year, InterCanadian has become an integral part of a renewed plan to link CDN's eastern region to destinations around the globe.
Reader's Feedback - Compiled by Terry Baker
Reader's Feedback
Every week we ask our readers for their stories or  feedback on what they have read here in previous issues. Below is the feedback we have received recently. 
More nose jobs
You showed us yours - here's ours!
From Terry Baker referring to the Pinocchio article in Alan's Space in NetLetter nr 1129 -

The photo of the DC-3 with a pointy nose submitted by Chuck G, brought back a memory of seeing this one of a B747 sporting the same affliction from "Between Ourselves" issued October 1969 that I spotted during the scanning exercise we are involved in.
5 engine Viscount
And here is a photo of another aircraft with an appendage - a 5 engined TCA Viscount c/n 384 fin 648 which was sold to P& W.

60's Hockey Team in 2004
John Rodger referring to NetLetter nr 1127 sends this memory -
The photo from Chuck Taylor brought back lots of memories of our hockey rivalry with YYZ. I was a little earlier than the 1966 photo but most of the guys in it I played against. Chuck, Dean and especially John Brodeur who became a life long friend for almost 50 yrs.

I remember one time in the Maple Leaf Gardens after the game we were coming of the ice and the Maple Leaf players were around waiting to go on for a practice and some of them asked if we all worked for the same company. They thought we were bitter enemies with all the rough play. It was quite a rivalry. But after it was all over we had great parties. A beer or two in the Hot Stove Lounge at the Gardens and a huge party at the Old Skyline Hotel near the Airport. Of course the same was put on in YUL.
Above is a photo taken at the Pionairs National Golf Tournament in PEI 2004 of some of the guys who are in the 66 photo.
Left to Right  Chuck Taylor YYZ, Rick Scofield YUL, Bill Gallant YYZ, John Rodger YUL, Ken McLeod YYZ, Bernie Danis YUL and Dean McKinnon YYZ.
Regards John Rodger
PS - I forgot to add a sad note about our hockey group. One of the guys from YUL passed away on June 29th a great guy Jack Quinlan.

Referring to the same photo, David Thomson sends this correction -
Bottom row, 2nd from right, is Al Thompson, not Dave Thomson; Al was a big star on the ice and at AC. I often traveling with the team to Montreal, and would love to see them all again. Thanks for the photo, Chuck!

Regarding the article Woman tries to leave Aircraft in mid-flight  in NetLetter nr 1128
Harvey Bergan sends us this information -
A321 Exit Door - (Click on image)
A321 Exit Door
Your article mentioned that the door on the 737 is 'locked' - you could say that as all the doors are 'plug-type'. That is to say the frame is smaller than the door and with the pressure differential because of the pressurized cabin, the force holding the door closed can be measured in tons e.g. assume a door 3 ft x 6 ft gives 2592 sq inches and assuming a pressure differential of 9 pounds/sq inch gives 23328 pounds pushing out on the door or about 11 1/2 tons pushing on the door. Since the initial motion of the door is inward, there is no way that door could be opened without putting on an O2 mask and depressurizing. I realize the figures are rough but it gives you an idea.

Cheers Harvey Bergen

and Ed Coperman came through with this information on the subject.
It's the latest of several widely-publicized incidents in which passengers, often affected by alcohol or mental disturbance, attempt to open doors in flight. Fortunately for air safety, doors are locked and "armed" during flight and can be opened only when authorized from the cockpit.

The truth of the matter is that, REGARDLESS of any 'authorization' from the cockpit, aircraft doors ON PRESSURIZED AIRCRAFT can NOT be opened once the aircraft is pressurized. At 8 PSI of pressurization, if the door is 4 feet by 7 feet (an area of 4,032 square inches), the TOTAL force required to overcome the pressurization would be on the order of 32,256 pounds!!!

Cheers, Ed Copeman, 340 Captain (retired)
Odds & Ends - Compiled by Terry Baker
Odds & EndsMore travel costs!
Two UK airports have introduced a "Fast Track" system that enables passengers to bypass security queues through a priority lane. This innovative service allows travellers to go directly to the security search point and has been designed for those on a tight schedule or those looking for the ultimate in convenience.
London/Luton and Newcastle International introduced the product in April for a charge of gbp3.00.

Vern Swerdfeger sends us the url for the video of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner arriving at the Farnborough Air Show. 

B787 Farnborough Air Show 2010
B787 Farnborough Air Show 2010

Terry's Trivia and Travel Tips - by Terry Baker
Terry Baker
Terry Baker
ZED e-ticketing now available for United Airlines (UA).  Paperless ZED e-tickets are now available on the Employee Travel Site for United Airlines (UA). The other carriers that currently accept ZED e-tickets are: Air Creebec (YN), Bearskin Airlines (JV), Canadian North (5T), Central Mountain Air (9M), First Air (7F) Swiss (LX) and Qatar (QR).  Infant tickets for travel on United Airlines will continue to be issued on paper. (Source The Daily)

Marshall Baldwin
points out this information -
Just an FYI re the following posted in NetLetter 1128 "HAL Votendam 42 Nights
Departing on 23 Sep 10 from Seattle you can spend 42 nights cruising through the South Pacific Islands and focus even more time in New Zealand enroute to Sydney. The bonus is that for $3799 you can get an upgrade to an obstructed view cabin which gives you light, a tub and easy access to strolling on deck for your 42 night vacation"
This cruise originates in Vancouver 22 Sep. and is quoted by other interline agencies at the same price as Seattle.
Jack and Aureen Morath are two UK Pionairs who are instrumental in arranging various events for the local Pionair population, i.e. London walks, day trips to the Continent and, in the past, an annual trip to a north American city.

Here, from the UK Pionairs monthly newsletter for July 2010 is a continuation of their recent trip report which we started in NetLetter nr 1120 - Our Far East Adventure:  (Jack and Aureen Morath) Our hotel was called the Island Pacific Hotel, a modern four-star hotel on the West Central Waterfront. Their website is   at It has 343 rooms and a restaurant. The Western Market is half a mile away, Nathan Road 2 miles away and the Night market  2+ miles away. The airport is 13 miles from the hotel and the hotel has a free shuttle bus to the shopping area which is by the harbour tunnel. A couple of minutes' walk from the hotel are the trams that take you to the city centre, and other places. We stayed for 2 nights at this hotel and the total cost for us for the 2 nights was £87.33. Weekends are more expensive. We were on the 19th floor and had an excellent view of the harbour as well as Kowloon across the water.
Smileys - Compiled by Terry Baker
As we surf the internet and back issues of airline magazines we regularly find airline related jokes and cartoons. Below is our latest discovery.
This weeks photo submitted by Stoney Jackson

First published in October, 1995

Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson, Victoria, B.C.
Co-pilot - Terry Baker, Nanaimo, B.C.
Flight Engineer - Alan Rust, Surrey, B.C.
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