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Understanding the Times 2012

October 5 & 6

Grace Church of Eden Prairie, a SW suburb of
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(Christian White House correspondent)

There is no cost or registration necessary. This yearly event will help you understand the times, contend for the faith, and be watchmen on the walls.  
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Jan Markell
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Note from Jan: Last week I wrote an article based on an interview Pastor Rick Warren gave to the Orange County Register. I was critical of the content. Pastor Warren denied all of the content, suggesting the reporter twisted the info. That one story isn't the heart of the issue. It is contained in the article below by Eric Barger. The story is far deeper than one local story that went viral on the Internet.

Some of my readers joined me in my concern about Pastor Warren's outreach to Muslims.  The controversy really goes back to "A Christian Response to a Common Word Between Us" in 2007 - 2008. Others of you blasted me out of the saddle. I have never blasted anyone, nor has Eric Barger. We are contending for the faith.

Many Christian leaders who should know better signed on to the "Common Word" agreement. At the heart of this effort is troubling compromise with the Muslim community.

Pastor Warren needs to come out and denounce this as well.


Rick Warren, Islam and the Real Issue


Many of you are aware that the Internet and blogosphere are awash with information concerning "Rick Warren builds bridge to Muslims," a story that ran on Thursday, February 23, in the Orange County Register. The story was republished or reported on widely in both the Christian and secular press.  

 

Reporter Jim Hinch stated that "Warren has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God." The guidelines are called "King's Way."  

 

The article reported that "Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King's Way as 'a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians."

  

"The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity. The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in 'one God' and share two central commandments: 'love of God' and 'love of neighbor.' The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects. The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.

  

The Register story also quotes the Muslim leader, Turk, as saying "We agreed we wouldn't try to evangelize each other..." 

  

The "King's Way" plan appears to be an outgrowth of a Saddleback small group whose activities are mentioned as follows:  

  

*4 weeks Small Group Study in your group  

*2 events where you will meet Muslim neighbors (we organize a service project with a meal together and a visit to a mosque) 

  

As wonderful and conciliatory as the February 23 article may sound to some, the basis of it is eerily reminiscent of another such idea that Dr. Warren was and is still a part of - the Yale University Center for Faith and Culture's  2007 paper "A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You," which is based on the premise that we all worship the same God. 

  

Now, nine days after the Orange County Register published the article, Rick Warren is denying most of the content and claiming that the many inaccuracies attributed to him in the article were the ideas of the reporter and not his own. Rick Warren is also calling upon friends and surrogates to help dispel the ideas promulgated by the Register's story.  

  

In response to the Register's article, Rick Warren told the Christian Post, "First, as I've already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don't." 

  

I agree. However, the fact is that Muslims not only "have a fundamentally different view of God" - they have a different god

  

As much as I have been critical of Rick Warren in the past (see  this and  this), I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here because I am acutely aware of how the press can misquote and manipulate what one says. While it is not surprising that Warren is now refuting the Register's story and, in effect, is calling reporter Jim Hinch a liar, there are elements that need to be considered. When my Grandpa used to say, "Where there's smoke, there's fire," he was right. If just part of what Hinch reported is true, many more authentic evangelicals would take great exception to Warren, as growing numbers have been for some time. 

  

The real point here is this: When is Rick Warren going to demand that his name be removed from Yale's "A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You"? No matter who is being truthful in the "he said, he said" with the Orange County Register, Warren's statements to the Christian Post distancing himself from the idea that Islam and Christianity both worship the same deity, are not in concert with the spirit of the Yale document, which still bears his name.

Let me add that it is certainly not unheard of for those who call themselves "evangelicals" to reject the notion of winning Muslims to Christ.  Tony Campolo, and others involved with the dubious "Christ at the Checkpoint" conference being held this week at Bethlehem Bible College, holds to this view.  

  

Concerning Warren and the issue at hand, below are the comments I posted under the  Christian Post story from today:

  

In 2007 Rick Warren signed the Yale Divinity School's paper ("A Christian Response to A Common Word Between Us and You"). The entire premise of the document was that Islam and Christianity both worship the same "god." 

  

Christians need to wake up to the fact that according to the Qur'an and Hadith, Islam teaches that Christianity is corrupt and must be eliminated. Contrary to what most Christians think, the Muslim "Jesus", Isa, which must appear according to Islam, is a Muslim! Furthermore, the Qur'an itself says that Jesus and his disciples were Muslims (Sura 3:52, 4:171-172, 5:111-112, 5:115-117). Therefore, according to Islam, when Isa comes, he will come as a devout Muslim. Sura 4 denies Isa's divinity and Isa is coming to correct the "errors" of Christianity as a sort of enforcer for the Mahdi. If Allah is really Jehovah, then reading the Qur'an and the Bible proves only that God is schizophrenic. How much clearer does it have to be? Islam serves a "different Jesus," has a "different god," and spreads a "different gospel" (II Cor 11:3-4). 

  

Warren can deny the word "Chrislam" all he wants. He can line up surrogates to speak for him day and night. But until he recants the Yale document and clearly defines that Islam's prophet, Isa, isn't Jesus Christ and that Islam's false god, Allah, isn't Jehovah, lots of us are going to speak louder and louder. No matter how you slice it, to confuse Islam's deity with God Almighty is a denial of the one true and living God and His only Son. 

   



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This weekend Jan and co-hosts Eric Barger and Jill Martin Rische talk to the VP of Wycliffe Bible Translators about the current controversy concerning a "Muslim-friendly Bible."        

 

Listen to last week's program on the deplorable "Christ at the Checkpoint" conference here or here.   According to this crowd, Jesus lived in occupied territory.

 

Find an up-to-date review of this conference here. 

 

 



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