Broadcast with Chandra from Oneness University with Oneness Holland
June 20, 2010
                                                                         
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            20 June 2010 Oneness Holland Webcast with Chandraji



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(Thanks to Noni Kaufman for the notes.)

This video is from a question and answer session with Chandraji from Oneness University, together with about 70+ blessing givers and trainers. These notes aren't an exact word for word transcript, but very close to the exact dialogue.

Q1: Some questions about 64 Deeksha process and Mukthi Deeksha. Sometimes during the 64, I become sleepy and tired. Afterwards, I have felt depressed for a couple of days. Can you tell me something about this?

A1: First of all what we have to understand is that deeksha is something which is divinely intelligent. We call them as intelligent energies which work directly with the kundalini energy inside us.

Anybody who is either going into the great states of consciousness or going into the depression basically it's because of the kundalini. Kundalini is the energy center inside everyone. So whenever we take deekshas, these kundalini energies will be flowing from the muladhara chakra to the sahasrara chakra. Whenever the kundalini rises from muladhara to sahasrara, we move into very good states of consciousness. Sometimes there is a possibility that kundalini energies might just fall. During those moments, we feel like depressed. But, this is a very, very rare case which happens after deeksha. What you have to do is you have to repeat the deeksha again so that the energies will be back and it will be balanced in you. This generally happens for one person in a 100. Basically after deekshas, people move into higher states because deekshas are something which are directly linked to kundalini energy. And deekshas will actually direct the kundalini to flow through some chakras and in some parts of brain wherein we experience different states of consciousness in life. Whenever you feel like depressed, just don't take deeksha for a week, just experience that depression for a moment and then you can see the energy is coming back again.

Q2: We have initiated alot of people who were coming to our blessing evenings to become blessing givers themselves. Now they are blessing givers and do not come to our events any longer. They seem to have lost their interest. We don't see them anymore. At first they were coming and now something has happened so they don't come anymore. Can you say anything about it or what can we do?

A2: Generally, if people are not coming again, we need to know the reasons. If we know the reasons from them so we can know what is lacking from our side.

The second thing is that oneness is not binding. Oneness is freedom. It is that you have to discover what is happening in oneness, what is happening in deeksha and what is happening in you. Then, the sense of passion arises in you and then you will be proceeding further.  What we have to understand is the spiritual journey is a never ending journey and it continues and grows and grows. Generally this question is arising because there could be some problems practically. If we can deal with those things, the problem will be solved.

And the next thing is that whenever people come, just know about them and feel for them. Whenever that happens, people will be naturally touched by you and then they will continue coming. But finally what we have to understand is that Oneness does not bind anyone, it is their freedom.  If you are experiencing then naturally you will be coming again and again to experiencing it more and more.  People with whom we are in touch, we can always pray for them and we can help them better. Whether they come or not, we have our prayers for them. But people who are here will grow much faster.

Q3: About the 64 deeksha process: Some people do a weekly 64 deeksha process and they have a bit of a problem with the duration with 8 people lasting 5 hours. What about doing with 2 groups of 4 people so the process is quicker? Are there any consequences for the process or is it okay?

A3: Generally whenever people are gathered in a group of 8, the energies created are very, very special and they directly influence our brain. So it is always good to have a group of 8. Only then the brain can follow certain things and some of the changes can happen to the brain when it has followed certain numbers. So it is always good to have a group of 8.  64 itself is a kind of number which directly affects the brain. But if you are finding it difficult to do every day, then probably I suggest to do it once in 2 weeks. But it is always good to have it every week, but it depends upon your convenience. In order to experience these states in olden days, people used to do meditation under trees for many, many years. Today, in order to experience the same states, we are just meditating for 5 hours once in a week. Comparatively, we are not doing anything. Five hours of your patience, that is all. And for the rest, the divine is taking care.

Another follow-up question: When we make groups of 4 or 5 people we still give each other 64 deekshas. Is it still the same as with 8 or still different? It depends on the number you get. Suppose there are only 4 people then we can only have 4. If there are 12, then one group can have 8 and the other 4. If you have 15, have 8 and you can have 7. Always see that you have one group consisting of 8 people. But suppose there are only 10 people, what do you do? Only in that case try to have 8 and 2. If that is not going good, divide into 2 groups of 5. Only in such cases, you cannot follow the number 8. Because these numbers directly impact our physical brain.

Q4: I heard from Mr. Calleman, Mayan calendar specialist, [http://www.calleman.com/] this summer we will reach a point he calls the Conscious Celebration [Convergence], where the oneness consciousness will be experienced collectively in the world. I see this happening in projects I'm doing also. Things which were not possible like sustainable living projects are now easier to create. I'd like to support this also with oneness blessing. Can you suggest how I can do this effectively? How can the oneness community help by either meditation or being around these projects to let people work together effectively and experience oneness in their work and world?

A4: What you have to understand is that Bhagavan always maintains that 2012 is equivalent to the rain. When it rains, whether you want it or not, you will be in the rain. But the rain might even fall on the ground, dry land, on trees, on human beings, animals and everybody. But if it falls on a fertile soil, definitely the rain which is coming can have a beautiful impact by having a great agriculture. The farmer should be ready with all their sowed seeds. In the same way, 2012 is like a big rain, that is going to happen which is going to transform everybody. But the greatness is that we need to sustain the change and the transformation. That is where oneness comes in. That is where deeksha comes in order to sustain the change which we are going to experience.

So, when Calleman is talking about consciousness he refers to the consciousness in a different way and we refer to the consciousness in a very different context. He says consciousness is the epiphenomenon of matter. But matter is the epiphenomenon of consciousness. That is where we differ. Even matter has come from consciousness. When we go deeper into the consciousness, most scientists can understand what it really means. We can influence anybody when the consciousness is high. We could influence matter with consciousness because matter is consciousness.

What happens in 2012? All of our collective consciousness will rise and then people will move into very different states of consciousness where we experience silence, no thoughts, no body, where we feel connectedness, where we feel oneness. Experiencing all this is very easy but when it comes to sustainability. That is where deeksha comes in and teachings come in order to hold on to that state and to sustain that.  But in order to understand consciousness, we need to go deeper about that.  Bhagavan will be revealing more about that in his webcasts. [Moderator asks, "Tomorrow?"] Probably Bhagavan can reveal tomorrow or sometime later when he feels man is ready to understand this. All that is required is that when the shift happens, we need to sustain it and we should make use of it for our next generation [stage] of evolution. This 2012 is like a larger vision and everyone has a share in it and oneness also has a major share in it through deeksha.

Q5: Is it possible to initiate someone as a blessing giver if they have never received blessings themselves or is necessary for them to receive blessings before they attend an Awakening course?

A5: There are no rules like that. Trainers have full freedom with this. Even new people can come to a course.

Q6: Before Sri Bhagavan started giving the Mukthi Deeksha, there was much more attention about our charges, our relationships and inner integrity. Now the attention seems to be only on instant awakening. But I wonder what about our charges? Will they be dissolved anyway without attention? Is it enough to take these Mukthi Deekshas? Some have very good experiences, but a very hard time after the Mukthi Deeksha or 64 process. You have said already about depression and all that.

A6: I want to make it clear. People going into depression is a very, very rare case. It won't happen generally. If it is happening to somebody, there may be some history with their life or health. It generally doesn't happen to everyone. And regarding your question, Oneness has two teachings. One teaching is within the mind and the second is liberation from the mind.  What is teaching within the mind? That is where all the teachings come in and say, "You have to work on the charges, see how you're behaving, become aware." All of this comes within the teachings within the mind".  And then, what do you finally realize when you hear about the teachings within the mind? You will all finally discover you can only do it to a certain extent, and that finally you cannot do it anymore. You reach a point where you clearly understand and experience that it cannot be done with your effort. What do you do after that? Anybody can answer.  ["Surrendering," answer from the audience] Beautiful. It is the right answer. You naturally surrender because you understood you that you could not do anything more. What happens when you surrender? The divine takes over. And all that we have spoken about the teachings within the mind will naturally happen to you.

When you surrender, the divine will act. That is why we have the saying in Oneness, that if you are awake, the divine is asleep and if you are asleep, the divine is awake.  Surrender is when you feel you cannot do anymore and you relax, and you give way to the divine. That is when deeksha comes in and it takes you away from the mind and will liberate you from the mind. Then you will say, "Seeing is happening," "Awareness is happening," "Everything is happening automatically." This is what we say is liberation from the mind. When you become liberated from the mind, naturally you can witness your mind.

That is why Oneness moves on both of the tracks. Both are necessary. If we are focusing more on Mukthi, that means we are making you discover that you cannot do any more. Once you become liberated from the mind, the charges you have will naturally get solved.  So it becomes automatic. We want things to become automatic. But, if you're not ready, we can go on manual, wherein you have to put in effort, where you have to become aware and to try to see. For the awakened person all these things are naturally happening. Nowadays we are focusing more and more on awakening because all of the teachings we have spoken about regarding liberation within the mind will happen naturally.

It is not that we don't want you to work on your charges. You have to work on your charges and finally realize the divine has to do it for you, and it has to happen naturally for you. To make it simple, Bhagavan has changed the game where everything happens very smoothly. So, all that you want will naturally happen. Of course you should work on your mind, realizing you cannot do much. Once you are liberated from the mind, all the teachings we are talking about will come true. Until then it is only a teaching not your experience. Today when we give a teaching that your body is not your body, you are trying to see how your body is not your body. Of course, if you are experiencing it, it is no longer a teaching or a concept for you. In fact we are going much faster and in a more sophisticated way.

Q7:  I have a question about the energies at Oneness and the influence on my body. I have a bowel condition. When I got there on the 16th, I had a very quiet belly. At the end I got diarrhea and now 3 weeks later, it is still restless.  How did the deeksha influence my body or what are my bowels trying to tell me?

A7: Practically speaking because of change of food and climate, you might have gotten diarrhea and spiritually speaking your body is adjusting to the energies you have received. Maximum it will take one month to adjust and get balanced. If it is continuing, I recommend you see a doctor.

Q8: I'm a very sensitive person, I get very easily emotionally out of balance.  Maybe something has happened in my childhood. I would like to become stronger again. I want to feel myself more. Can you help me?

A8: This is the problem of the mind. Every time when we are exposed to our nature, we want it to be somebody else and we try to find an answer. And we feel only if we change, we will be happy. What has Oneness to say about this? Be with your emotions and experience them. If you are sensitive, accept the fact that you are very sensitive and very emotional. Acceptance is different from knowing ourselves. You might be knowing you are emotional, but might not have accepted that fact. What is the proof that you have not accepted yourself? Can anybody tell me? [Answers from audience: "conflict, suffering, fighting, thinking about it, the fact of asking the question."] This is the right answer: asking the question that you want to be free of something is the place where it shows that you have not accepted. Accepting oneself means being friendly with what you are and being at ease with what you are. Today we are not at ease with ourselves with the nature we have. We always try to become something. Trying to become something is the problem. Being what you are, accepting what you are is the solution to your problem. What happens if you accept yourself? The moment that you accept that you are a very emotional, sensitive person, you cease to be that. The change naturally happens to you, you need not search for it to happen. That is the power of acceptance and the proof that you have accepted yourself.

More than that, all of you should understand that accepting oneself can only happen through divine grace. All this we should have the help of the divine. It can be any form, it can be anybody, but you should have the help of the divine to accept yourself. Amma and Bhagavan are your friends. They are ready to help you in this way. They have helped millions of people and we could be amongst them and it is actually happening to everyone. This is the answer given to a person within the mind. The person who is liberated from the mind, whatever answer I gave you, he will be experiencing the whole thing naturally. For him being emotional, being sensitive will no more seem to be a problem because he is happy with himself, whatever he is. That very happiness is acceptance. That very happiness is transformation. Once you are awakened, you experience this. So, go to a person who is awakened, and he will tell you the same thing.

 

Message from Chandraji:   As we are approaching 2012, Bhagavan is going to release more and more power, and Bhagavan wants all of us to be ready for that. For that very reason, Bhagavan is appearing on the webcasts and guiding us and preparing us. The coming days are not very good days because there are going to be many calamities, many economic crises which has already started in Europe and will spread in all the countries. In order to avoid all the problems, in order to survive on this planet, in order to see a great transformation, in order to see a great age, the new age, we need to survive. The only way is to become enlightened. As the days are going on, the grace will be more and more. Even though the grace is released more and more, what we need from our side is the passion to be awakened. Once we are awakened, we can actually change the calamities and also stop these calamities from happening because mankind has transformed and become awakened. Today the awakening is happening like a tsunami which is covering all people.

We should be part of that divine tsunami. If we are not part of this tsunami, we'll be part of the other tsunami. It is our choice to make. Everything is possible now because very many people are making it. Many of you have made it already and many more will make it in no time. The teaching and the passion are required in order to become awakened. Of all this, we have divine grace to protect us. And we also have the divine grace which will guide us in the process of becoming awakened. The coming trainers' processes are going to be very powerful and very different every time. Every time they are receiving deeksha, they are receiving it in a very powerful way.  This is already happening here in the trainer's course we started yesterday. The Oneness temple is like a power house which will affect the whole world. When more and more people meditate together at the same time, we can create the energies. In fact, the temple plays a major role to amplify the energies.

Probably by the end of 2011, we need 2,000 trainers and then every trainer should have a minimum of 30 people in their group. Any number maximum. For every webcast we expect there should be 64,000 people meditating at the same time across the globe in order to make this change possible. Because of the population, we have decided to have 70,000 people, but according to our revelations 64,000 was revealed to us.  We want 60,000 people who are awakened across the globe and 10,000 from India.  All of us meditating on the same reason and then we can make it into a reality. 

As the days go on we will be meditating on the maps of countries where the deekshas will be given on one country. Then you could see the shift happens in that country alone and the deeksha will not cross the boundaries. And the time is very, very near. 2012 is approaching. We need trainers soon who are very active. And we also need active blessing givers to share blessings and help everyone, and help us finally. So we want more trainers who can make this possible, who are channels for the divine to flow.

So in the future in Oneness, we are going to have Trainers' process and very soon probably in a month or so, we will announce a deepening process for anyone, even new people to attend. Many teachings, many deekshas and many kinds of deekshas wherein we will be moving into higher states of consciousness and also sustaining them once they are received. We'll also have darshan tours where people might be coming for 5 or 7 days depending on the countries and what they have decided. We will be meditating with Bhagavan and Bhagavan will be interacting with us physically here, and we'll be having many other things in the darshan tour.

And finally we'll become the heroes for 2012 to happen. We'll feel we are part of it. When you see the change happening in front of your eyes, you feel so great that you are part of helping the shift in humankind. Already it has started happening. All of us feel the same. Let us all hope for the same thing and help ourselves. All of us together can make it. Bhagavan is very, very sure that we WILL make it. Are you all sure about it? ["Yes," audience responds.] Thank you for your answer, for being warriors and being channels for the divine.

Let us now meditate on one intent: That all of us should be awakened very, very soon. The awakening which happens to you will affect the next generations. And then we can really see the new age which will dawn in 2012. I feel very confident seeing all of you gathering at one place and such a beautiful organization. Thanks for all trainers, all the blessing givers, coordinators, translators, and helpers. All of us will be meditating on the same intent, that we all become awakened.  We'll all pray that we should have sufficient passion to make it possible.

 


 

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