20 June 2010 Oneness Holland Webcast with Chandraji
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(Thanks to Noni Kaufman for the notes.)
This video is
from a question and answer session with Chandraji from Oneness University,
together with about 70+ blessing givers and trainers. These notes aren't an
exact word for word transcript, but very close to the exact dialogue.
Q1: Some
questions about 64 Deeksha process and Mukthi Deeksha. Sometimes during
the 64, I become sleepy and tired. Afterwards, I have felt depressed for a
couple of days. Can you tell me something about this?
A1: First of
all what we have to understand is that deeksha is something which is divinely
intelligent. We call them as intelligent energies which work directly with the
kundalini energy inside us.
Anybody who is
either going into the great states of consciousness or going into the
depression basically it's because of the kundalini. Kundalini is the energy
center inside everyone. So whenever we take deekshas, these kundalini energies
will be flowing from the muladhara chakra to the sahasrara chakra. Whenever the
kundalini rises from muladhara to sahasrara, we move into very good states of
consciousness. Sometimes there is a possibility that kundalini energies might
just fall. During those moments, we feel like depressed. But, this is a very,
very rare case which happens after deeksha. What you have to do is you
have to repeat the deeksha again so that the energies will be back and it
will be balanced in you. This generally happens for one person in a 100.
Basically after deekshas, people move into higher states because deekshas are something
which are directly linked to kundalini energy. And deekshas will actually
direct the kundalini to flow through some chakras and in some parts
of brain wherein we experience different states of consciousness in life. Whenever
you feel like depressed, just don't take deeksha for a week, just experience
that depression for a moment and then you can see the energy is coming back
again.
Q2: We
have initiated alot of people who were coming to our blessing evenings to
become blessing givers themselves. Now they are blessing givers and do not come
to our events any longer. They seem to have lost their interest. We don't see
them anymore. At first they were coming and now something has happened so they
don't come anymore. Can you say anything about it or what can we do?
A2: Generally,
if people are not coming again, we need to know the reasons. If we know the
reasons from them so we can know what is lacking from our side.
The second
thing is that oneness is not binding. Oneness is freedom. It is that you have
to discover what is happening in oneness, what is happening in deeksha and what
is happening in you. Then, the sense of passion arises in you and then you will
be proceeding further. What we have to understand is the spiritual
journey is a never ending journey and it continues and grows and grows. Generally
this question is arising because there could be some problems practically. If
we can deal with those things, the problem will be solved.
And the next
thing is that whenever people come, just know about them and feel for them. Whenever
that happens, people will be naturally touched by you and then they will
continue coming. But finally what we have to understand is that Oneness does
not bind anyone, it is their freedom. If you are experiencing
then naturally you will be coming again and again to experiencing it more and
more. People with whom we are in touch, we can always pray for them and
we can help them better. Whether they come or not, we have our prayers for
them. But people who are here will grow much faster.
Q3: About the 64 deeksha process: Some people do a weekly
64 deeksha process and they have a bit of a problem with the duration with 8
people lasting 5 hours. What about doing with 2 groups of 4 people so the process
is quicker? Are there any consequences for the process or is it okay?
A3: Generally
whenever people are gathered in a group of 8, the energies created are very,
very special and they directly influence our brain. So it is always good to
have a group of 8. Only then the brain can follow certain things and some of
the changes can happen to the brain when it has followed certain numbers. So it
is always good to have a group of 8. 64 itself is a kind of number which directly affects the
brain. But if you are finding it difficult to do every day, then probably I
suggest to do it once in 2 weeks. But it is always good to have it every week,
but it depends upon your convenience. In order to experience these states in
olden days, people used to do meditation under trees for many, many years.
Today, in order to experience the same states, we are just meditating for 5
hours once in a week. Comparatively, we are not doing anything. Five hours of
your patience, that is all. And for the rest, the divine is taking care.
Another follow-up question: When we make groups of 4
or 5 people we still give each other 64 deekshas. Is it still the same as with
8 or still different? It depends on the number you get. Suppose
there are only 4 people then we can only have 4. If there are 12, then one
group can have 8 and the other 4. If you have 15, have 8 and you can have 7.
Always see that you have one group consisting of 8 people. But suppose there
are only 10 people, what do you do? Only in that case try to have 8 and 2. If
that is not going good, divide into 2 groups of 5. Only in such cases, you
cannot follow the number 8. Because these numbers directly impact our physical
brain.
Q4: I
heard from Mr. Calleman, Mayan calendar specialist, [http://www.calleman.com/] this summer we will reach a
point he calls the Conscious Celebration [Convergence], where the oneness consciousness will
be experienced collectively in the world. I see this happening in
projects I'm doing also. Things which were not possible like sustainable living
projects are now easier to create. I'd like to support this also with oneness
blessing. Can you suggest how I can do this effectively? How can the oneness
community help by either meditation or being around these projects to let people
work together effectively and experience oneness in their work and world?
A4: What you
have to understand is that Bhagavan always maintains that 2012 is equivalent to
the rain. When it rains, whether you want it or not, you will be in the
rain. But the rain might even fall on the ground, dry land, on trees, on human
beings, animals and everybody. But if it falls on a fertile soil, definitely the
rain which is coming can have a beautiful impact by having a great agriculture.
The farmer should be ready with all their sowed seeds. In the same way, 2012
is like a big rain, that is going to happen which is going to transform
everybody. But the greatness is that we need to sustain the change and the transformation.
That is where oneness comes in. That is where deeksha comes in order to sustain
the change which we are going to experience.
So, when Calleman
is talking about consciousness he refers to the consciousness in a different
way and we refer to the consciousness in a very different context. He says
consciousness is the epiphenomenon of matter. But matter is the epiphenomenon of
consciousness. That is where we differ. Even matter has come from consciousness.
When we go deeper into the consciousness, most scientists can understand what
it really means. We can influence anybody when the consciousness is high. We
could influence matter with consciousness because matter is consciousness.
What happens in
2012? All of our collective consciousness will rise and then people will move
into very different states of consciousness where we experience silence,
no thoughts, no body, where we feel connectedness, where we feel oneness.
Experiencing all this is very easy but when it comes to sustainability. That
is where deeksha comes in and teachings come in order to hold on to that state
and to sustain that. But in order
to understand consciousness, we need to go deeper about that. Bhagavan
will be revealing more about that in his webcasts. [Moderator asks, "Tomorrow?"] Probably Bhagavan can reveal tomorrow
or sometime later when he feels man is ready to understand this. All that is
required is that when the shift happens, we need to sustain it and we should make
use of it for our next generation [stage]
of evolution. This 2012 is like a larger vision and everyone has a share in it
and oneness also has a major share in it through deeksha.
Q5: Is it
possible to initiate someone as a blessing giver if they have never received
blessings themselves or is necessary for them to receive blessings before they attend
an Awakening course?
A5: There are
no rules like that. Trainers have full freedom with this. Even new people can
come to a course.
Q6:
Before Sri Bhagavan started giving the Mukthi Deeksha, there was much more
attention about our charges, our relationships and inner integrity. Now the
attention seems to be only on instant awakening. But I wonder what about our
charges? Will they be dissolved anyway without attention? Is it enough to take
these Mukthi Deekshas? Some have very good experiences, but a very hard time
after the Mukthi Deeksha or 64 process. You have said already about depression
and all that.
A6: I want to
make it clear. People going into depression is a very, very rare case. It won't
happen generally. If it is happening to somebody, there may be some history
with their life or health. It generally doesn't happen to everyone. And
regarding your question, Oneness has two teachings. One teaching is within the
mind and the second is liberation from the mind. What is teaching within
the mind? That is where all the teachings come in and say, "You have to work on
the charges, see how you're behaving, become aware." All of this comes within
the teachings within the mind". And then, what do you finally realize
when you hear about the teachings within the mind? You will all finally
discover you can only do it to a certain extent, and that finally you cannot do
it anymore. You reach a point where you clearly understand and experience that
it cannot be done with your effort. What do you do after that? Anybody can
answer. ["Surrendering," answer
from the audience] Beautiful. It is the right answer. You naturally
surrender because you understood you that you could not do anything more. What
happens when you surrender? The divine takes over. And all that we have spoken
about the teachings within the mind will naturally happen to you.
When you
surrender, the divine will act. That is why we have the saying in Oneness, that
if you are awake, the divine is asleep and if you are asleep, the
divine is awake. Surrender is when you feel you cannot do anymore and you
relax, and you give way to the divine. That is when deeksha comes in and it
takes you away from the mind and will liberate you from the mind. Then you will
say, "Seeing is happening," "Awareness is happening,"
"Everything is happening automatically." This is what we say is liberation
from the mind. When you become liberated from the mind, naturally you can witness
your mind.
That is why
Oneness moves on both of the tracks. Both are necessary. If we are focusing
more on Mukthi, that means we are making you discover that you cannot do any
more. Once you become liberated from the mind, the charges you have will naturally
get solved. So it becomes
automatic. We want things to become automatic. But, if you're not ready, we can
go on manual, wherein you have to put in effort, where you have to become aware
and to try to see. For the awakened person all these things are naturally
happening. Nowadays we are focusing more and more on awakening because all of
the teachings we have spoken about regarding liberation within the mind will
happen naturally.
It is not that
we don't want you to work on your charges. You have to work on your charges and
finally realize the divine has to do it for you, and it has to happen naturally
for you. To make it simple, Bhagavan has changed the game where everything
happens very smoothly. So, all that you want will naturally happen. Of course
you should work on your mind, realizing you cannot do much. Once you are
liberated from the mind, all the teachings we are talking about will come true.
Until then it is only a teaching not your experience. Today when we give a
teaching that your body is not your body, you are trying to see how your body
is not your body. Of course, if you are experiencing it, it is no longer a
teaching or a concept for you. In fact we are going much faster and in a more
sophisticated way.
Q7:
I have a question about the energies at Oneness and the influence on my
body. I have a bowel condition. When I got there on the 16th, I had
a very quiet belly. At the end I got diarrhea and now 3 weeks later, it is
still restless. How did the deeksha influence my body or what are my
bowels trying to tell me?
A7: Practically
speaking because of change of food and climate, you might have gotten diarrhea
and spiritually speaking your body is adjusting to the energies you have
received. Maximum it will take one month to adjust and get balanced. If it is
continuing, I recommend you see a doctor.
Q8: I'm a
very sensitive person, I get very easily emotionally out of balance. Maybe
something has happened in my childhood. I would like to become stronger again.
I want to feel myself more. Can you help me?
A8: This is the
problem of the mind. Every time when we are exposed to our nature, we want it
to be somebody else and we try to find an answer. And we feel only if we
change, we will be happy. What has Oneness to say about this? Be with your
emotions and experience them. If you are sensitive, accept the fact that
you are very sensitive and very emotional. Acceptance is different from knowing
ourselves. You might be knowing you are emotional, but might not have accepted
that fact. What is the proof that you have not accepted yourself? Can anybody
tell me? [Answers from audience: "conflict,
suffering, fighting, thinking about it, the fact of asking the question."] This
is the right answer: asking the question that you want to be free of something
is the place where it shows that you have not accepted. Accepting oneself means
being friendly with what you are and being at ease with what you are. Today we
are not at ease with ourselves with the nature we have. We always try to become
something. Trying to become something is the problem. Being what you are,
accepting what you are is the solution to your problem. What happens if you
accept yourself? The moment that you accept that you are a very emotional,
sensitive person, you cease to be that. The change naturally happens to you,
you need not search for it to happen. That is the power of acceptance and the
proof that you have accepted yourself.
More than that,
all of you should understand that accepting oneself can only happen through
divine grace. All this we should have the help of the divine. It can be any
form, it can be anybody, but you should have the help of the divine to
accept yourself. Amma and Bhagavan are your friends. They are ready to help you
in this way. They have helped millions of people and we could be amongst them
and it is actually happening to everyone. This is the answer given to a person
within the mind. The person who is liberated from the mind, whatever
answer I gave you, he will be experiencing the whole thing naturally. For him
being emotional, being sensitive will no more seem to be a problem because he
is happy with himself, whatever he is. That very happiness is acceptance. That
very happiness is transformation. Once you are awakened, you experience this.
So, go to a person who is awakened, and he will tell you the same thing.
Message from Chandraji: As we are approaching 2012, Bhagavan is going to release
more and more power, and Bhagavan wants all of us to be ready for that. For
that very reason, Bhagavan is appearing on the webcasts and guiding us and
preparing us. The coming days are not very good days because there are going to
be many calamities, many economic crises which has already started in Europe
and will spread in all the countries. In order to avoid all the problems, in
order to survive on this planet, in order to see a great transformation,
in order to see a great age, the new age, we need to survive. The only way is
to become enlightened. As the days are going on, the grace will be more and
more. Even though the grace is released more and more, what we need from our
side is the passion to be awakened. Once we are awakened, we can actually
change the calamities and also stop these calamities from happening because
mankind has transformed and become awakened. Today the awakening is happening
like a tsunami which is covering all people.
We should be
part of that divine tsunami. If we are not part of this tsunami, we'll be part
of the other tsunami. It is our choice to make. Everything is possible now
because very many people are making it. Many of you have made it already and
many more will make it in no time. The teaching and the passion are required in
order to become awakened. Of all this, we have divine grace to protect us. And
we also have the divine grace which will guide us in the process of becoming
awakened. The coming trainers' processes are going to be very powerful and very
different every time. Every time they are receiving deeksha, they are receiving
it in a very powerful way. This is already happening here in the trainer's
course we started yesterday. The Oneness temple is like a power house which
will affect the whole world. When more and more people meditate together at the
same time, we can create the energies. In fact, the temple plays a major role
to amplify the energies.
Probably by the
end of 2011, we need 2,000 trainers and then every trainer should have a
minimum of 30 people in their group. Any number maximum. For every webcast we
expect there should be 64,000 people meditating at the same time across
the globe in order to make this change possible. Because of the population, we
have decided to have 70,000 people, but according to our revelations
64,000 was revealed to us. We want 60,000 people who are awakened across
the globe and 10,000 from India. All of us meditating on the same reason
and then we can make it into a reality.
As the days go
on we will be meditating on the maps of countries where the deekshas will be
given on one country. Then you could see the shift happens in that country
alone and the deeksha will not cross the boundaries. And the time is very, very
near. 2012 is approaching. We need trainers soon who are very active. And we
also need active blessing givers to share blessings and help everyone, and help
us finally. So we want more trainers who can make this possible, who are
channels for the divine to flow.
So in the
future in Oneness, we are going to have Trainers' process and very soon
probably in a month or so, we will announce a deepening process for anyone, even
new people to attend. Many teachings, many deekshas and many kinds of deekshas
wherein we will be moving into higher states of consciousness and also sustaining
them once they are received. We'll also have darshan tours where people might
be coming for 5 or 7 days depending on the countries and what they have
decided. We will be meditating with Bhagavan and Bhagavan will be interacting with
us physically here, and we'll be having many other things in the darshan tour.
And finally
we'll become the heroes for 2012 to happen. We'll feel we are part of it. When
you see the change happening in front of your eyes, you feel so great that you
are part of helping the shift in humankind. Already it has started happening.
All of us feel the same. Let us all hope for the same thing and help ourselves.
All of us together can make it. Bhagavan is very, very sure that we WILL make
it. Are you all sure about it? ["Yes,"
audience responds.] Thank you for your answer, for being warriors and being
channels for the divine.
Let us now
meditate on one intent: That all of us should be awakened very, very soon. The
awakening which happens to you will affect the next generations. And then we
can really see the new age which will dawn in 2012. I feel very confident
seeing all of you gathering at one place and such a beautiful organization.
Thanks for all trainers, all the blessing givers, coordinators, translators,
and helpers. All of us will be meditating on the same intent, that we all
become awakened. We'll all pray
that we should have sufficient passion to make it possible.