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Namaste dear
Bhagavan, namaste. We are soo happy to see you here today and we are very
grateful and this we want to express to you. Thank you for talking with us
today. We are 46 people in the room and we are 5 recently initiated new deeksha
givers, you should know that please.
So we won't
translate during the conference for not wasting your time and so may I start
with the first question?
Yes, yes.
Q 1: Dear Bhagavan, Switzerland as a
neutral nation and as the worldwide headquarters of the Red Cross often plays
the role as an intermediator between countries that are at odds with one
another. Please tell us what the specific role is and what the specific tasks
are of the Swiss blessing givers and do you recommend specific exercises to us
for this year and for the time from 2010 until 2012?
Bhagavan: I have often said that different
countries on the planet represent certain areas in the human brain. Like Africa
represents the emotional side of the brain and Germany represents order in the
brain and the area around Jerusalem represents the area concerning God
realization. So Switzerland definitely has a specific role as we are pointing
out. It will probably bring in a lot of harmony on the planet. But what
happens as more blessing givers emerge in Switzerland and they move into higher
states? Switzerland can bring more harmony in the world. And let's say the
Germans move into higher states, it'll be more order in the world and the
Middle East when most people move into higher states, it will bring much more God
realization. So every country, India for example, can bring about more awakening.
So it will work like that. So definitely Switzerland with its past historical
road, it should be that where there are blessings happening in Switzerland. I
think in the whole world not only in Switzerland. That will be Switzerland's
contribution. But we won't have any specific exercises or Sadhana for that. Let's
take any other blessing givers which are working towards awakening, the same procedures
will be used, but the effect on the planet will be different. That will
happen very naturally. We don't have a special focus on that. That will be the contribution
of your state. As more of you move into higher states that will be ...(4:36??).
That's your contribution. It will happen very naturally. So, my answer will be
brief because we only have a very short time. Probably, I will take this up later
on. So shall we move to the second question please?
Thank you, dear Bhagavan, for this answer.
Q 2: Dear Bhagavan, during the level
courses we have learned that we are able to achieve everything we want by
practicing intent and effort and then wait for grace to come. On the other hand
you are teaching the effortless effort approach which you have explained many
times to us using the example of the rope and the snake. We don't bring these
two teachings together. How do we know when we
have done enough effort and can just wait for grace to come? And what is wrong if grace is missing? Please give us more clarification
about that.
Bhagavan: That might deal with the two
varieties of people. Those who want to solve worldly problems and those who
want to become awakened. We could even say that there is a Dharma for the
unenlightened and a Dharma for the enlightened. Unenlightened and the
enlightened; there are two separate Dharmas in that, because unless one focuses
also on wealth, fulfillment of desires and contribution. So the first focus is
on wealth actually. So we take the new conscious for greater wealth. And
then we want to fulfill our desires the kind of woman or man we want to marry,
or whatever you want. You focus on that, on the relationships and then on
the contribution, finally it moves to awakening.
The effortless effort teaching refers to
the inner world for those who are seeking an awakening. The other one, intent -
effort - grace, refers to the external world or worldly achievements. Suppose
you want to have sufficient wealth, what we say is have the intent and put the
effort and then the grace will take over. This is purely for external things,
not for the inner world. And now some times after you put in the intent
and the effort the grace is not still coming, then you have not surrendered to
the Divine. So you put all your best effort first. Without effort
the grace will not respond. And then the intent must be very very strong,
that's the beginning fact, the intent, then the effort. Then you must say "well,
this is all I can do," hands up, for you cannot do anything more. "So please
Lord or God," or whatever you want to call that, "please now take over and help
me." It should be genuine surrender, if not, some kind of cheap surrender, no,
some kind of ...(7:25??) , no. You realize you have done all that
you possibly could do and you can do nothing more.
Like for example you could fall down
from an aeroplane. If you have the intent to save yourself and then you
suddenly think you would like to land on a beach or something then what else
could you do than completely surrender, then the grace would work a
miracle.
Actually I met a pilot. He said his
plane caught fire. I think it's a fighter plane or something, it must have
exploded, but strangely it did not explode and the man landed and is
completely intact. This happened. He said "my Lord Jesus", he happens to be a
Christian; he said "my Lord Christ saved me". So obviously the prayer was
very very strong. That's when you hand over, when you realize you can't do
anything more. But as long as you can do something you have got to do it,
you should not be looking for help. That can come from the Divine. Only at the
point where you say I cannot do, there you will have to pray and ask for help. Then
the grace will definitely come. So that's about that. Can we move to the third
question?
Thank you for this answer, Bhagavan.
Q 3: How
does it happen that we have forgotten that we are God? How can a little ego
come into existence that feels separated from oneness?
Bhagavan:
Yes. So there seems to be a divine plan. We could possibly safely assume, that in the beginning man was
awakened, was enlightened and that he had no sense of separation. Even now small
children at sometimes age two or three, they do not have a sense of separation.
It's only afterwards that they develop a sense of separation. Maybe there is a
divine plan behind it. Now what exactly happens is when we are seeing we don`t
hear, when we hear we don`t see
when we smell we don`t feel touch, when we touch we don`t taste.
So senses function actually independently, but they
coordinate so fast, it appears as though they are all functioning at the same
time. That is what creates the illusion of separation. Now what happens in the
awakening processes is that the coordinators slightly slow down. The moment it is
slightly slowed down, the self is gone. That is, the sense of separation is
gone. What is there is oneness.
Oneness does not mean you are becoming one with that. It
is not that at all. There is just the one, that's all. Now what we`re trying to
do in the processes is when we receive and we give deeksha and we are
passionate about awakening, it ultimately leads to slowing down sensory
coordination. With that you are one and if that happens for something like 7
minutes, you will never ever come back. It`s over and that is what we are
trying to get to. Now probably had man, been made without this sensory
coordination, he might have just felt as one.
And probably there might not have been this civilisation
and all this...(10:42??) it might have continued we live in the stone age. Maybe
nature or God has a different plan so he brought about the sensory coordination, the sense of separation
and then the ego and then the struggle and it all has its history: nation,
societies, all these cultures, science, technology have built up all these
things. Now probably the time has come in order to survive.
We will have to remove the sense of self because we
already built up a great civilisation, it has the computers, and may be now
without the self and the ego this would continue to develop. Maybe that's why
they say 2012, they have to slow down the sensory coordination and we all
become awakened. So it's now in your hands now, you are to receive and give the
blessings.
Giving blessings is more powerful than receiving
blessings. You must know that. Now here is a simple example of a television
set, a DVD player and the source of power, what we call the plug-point in
India, I don't how you would call that, where you put in the plug where you get
the power.
Now the television set could be considered to be your
consciousness and the mind is the DVD player and the source of power is the
deeksha.
Now, in the DVD player, the mind, you could put any
teaching, you could put the teachings of Christ or Buddha or Allah or something
good teaching or anything like, you could put, it's completely yours, this is
your DVD and you could put whatever you want. And then plug in the deeksha, the
deeksha ...(12:20??) that is the source of power. And then the DVD is where's the
deeksha giver's consciousness.
So with a Buddhist DVD, you get the Bhuddist enligthenment,
with a Christian teaching, you get the Christian enlightenment, with Islamic
teaching, you get Islamic realisation. There`s no separate. Deeksha in certain
things in Switzerland is neutral. It does not take any sides. (smile) You put
any DVD there you`ll make it a spiritual experience. (laughter ) That`s all. Down
the line somewere, you`ll find that things slightly slow down.
In fact for some people you actually see the eyes go
little apart. We`ll take a picture before they are awakened and after the
awakening you find the eyes are slightly move apart. That`s why the
...(13:04??) slow down, that's what we call the neurobiological law phenomenon.
If that happens it's permanent, there's peaceful. Before that happens you can
still be in a great state, but it may come and it may go. But once this happens
it is permanent and it can't be reversed. That's the answer for that question.
What else?
Thank you
very much Bhagavan.
Q 4:
In the conference with Texas Dallas at 12th of December you have said - I citation
now: "The one appears as the many, we do not say that the one becomes the many."
Please can you explain the concrete difference between appears and becomes. What
exactly does this difference between appears and becomes mean? How does this
difference concretely expresses itself at human being and in the emerging
universe and on our earth?
Bhagavan:
Now you feel that you are separated from the other, you are separated from that
wall or that pillar there or that door there and a?? family is separated from
the other. Now the strangest thing is, the moment the sensory coordination is
slowed down, instantly you find that you are not separated from the other, in
fact, you are the other. That does not mean you become the wall or the tree
there. What happens is - here we give a teaching - the observer is the
observed. That is, there is no more the bird, the me, the I. ?? what is there
is the pillar, the door, the wall, that is all that is there. And that defines
you. The only way to say that you are there is the hall, these pillars, those
people, the others define you. In that sense only the other exists. You do not
exist. And all that is there, you are all that. So instantly the sense of separation
has gone.
There's a wall, there's a door, there's the room, there
are the people, they all were separated from you, instantly it's gone. All that
is there is only one.
The pillar is no different from the door, ??is appearing
as though it was separate, but in
truth it's not separate. There's this slight slowing down of our senses, it's
all gone. But there is another (oneness??) state,?? The kundalini still fires
higher up, then you would actually feel that you are the wall. You feel it you
became the wall. If there is an animal passing you are the animal breathing. ??That
is a super state. We are not going to super states. We are going to simple
awakening. Simple enlightenment where you are not there. All that is there is
there. That's the oneness we are talking about. And there is no more the
illusion of the separation, the illusion is gone. A trick that the brain plays.
The brain is the trickster. It's tricking you into believing that it's all
separate, but it's not. So we are going to that a bit later in the following
skypes. The third question is over, next.
Some organizational questions: we want to ask if it is
further on possible for a group of interested people who are a strong branch of
dedicated blessing givers to have further on our monthly conferences with you
because Tejasaji has just told us that
the coordinators of Switzerland will also make the conferences but we`re asking
if the group who wishes to can also have their own conferences on a monthly
base ?
Bhagavan: See,
there are countries, which have coordinators, there are countries which do not
have coordinators. So if in a country there is a coordinator, we expect all of
you to come to the coordinator, for organisational reasons. It makes it easier
for the coordinator and also it will be easier for you. Now Phillip and Lydia,
they are the coordinators. They will remain as the coordinators, we will not be
removing anybody from the coordinator ship. If anybody happens to get removed
or anybody has resigned, they will never be replaced, it`s a mark of respect
for the coordinator, who built up that all. Having said all that, if there are
people, who do not wish to come to the coordinator, they can directly link up
with the university and have direct link to the university. They will not be
stopped but we won't be telling you: "come to the coordinator". We only say we
request you, it will be easier for you and for us.
Of course we will say that. But if you have your reasons
whatever your reasons, we are not concerned about the reasons. If you take that
stand, you do not want to come to our coordinator, you are most welcome to,
come directly to us. We're not gonna say no to you. But the coordinator will
continue, the coordinator will not be replaced. The coordinators have their own
schemes. They might go their own way with their own organisation. That will go
on, we won't be disturbing them. They have the right and the freedom to go on
with the organisation. If you don't want to be part of it, you people can get
another organisation or you can come to us independently. You have your
freedom. They have their freedom.
There is no need for a conflict or a clash. But one thing
has to be made clear to you: You can not be also part of the one world academy.
You can not be in both the organisations, that is not possible. You can not be
a communist and a capitalist at the same time. You can not be a democrat and a
republican at the same time. Either you are a democrat or a republican, a communist
or a capitalist. You cannot belong to two organisations which are opposed in
more than one way. That is so, either you are here, or there. We are not
enemies. But a simple thing: how can you be a democrat and a republican at the
same time? I'm notsure, are there
parties in Switzerland? Different political parties?
Yes.
Can you be a member of all the parties at the same time?
No.
See, you have the same case here. That's all there is to
it. If somebody wants to be in the other organisation they are welcome to be
there, but they can not continue to be here. That's all. And if someone doesn't
like the coordinators you can do your own thing and do what you want. That does
not mean they should be dissolved or they should be removed. They have the
right to exist and to do whatever they want. You have the right to exist and to
do whatever you want. There is total freedom. Remember the most important thing
is: to set men totally and unconditionally free. You have your freedom. No
problem at all.
Thank you for confirming this, dear Bhagavan.
So, we are
asking you to give us a very strong blessing for the growth of each of us and
for Switzerland as a country and a special blessing for our exactly 5 new
blessing givers initiated two weeks ago. This we are asking for. And we are
saying thank you very very much, dear Bhagavan, for this beautiful first
meeting with you and for your answers and your teychings and we hope to meet
you now on a monthly base.
Yes, you are most welcome. I`ll be very happy to give a
blessing for the new blessing givers. While we meditate I`ll do the blessing
also.
Shall we now move into meditation?
Yes, we will. Thank you, Bhagavan.
Meditation.
Love you all. Love you. Namaste.
Namaste Bhagavan.