Conference with Sri Bhagavan Broadcast with Los Angeles and Orange Counties Oneness Blessing Facilitators
November 24, 2009 Questions and Answers
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Skype
video call Los Angeles-Orange Counties, U.S.A. November 24, 2009
Audio Link: http://www.box.net/shared/a696oyks2y
QUESTION: What can you tell us now about the
influence of the oneness blessing on a person? Is it up to the individual how
much they actually will be able to maintain contact with the indwelling Divine?
What is the best thing we can do to help our blessing receivers?
[Recording begins here. A few seconds are missing from the beginning of
Bhagavan's answer.]
BHAGAVAN: .......called
the left temporal lobe and tries to reduce the activity in what we call parietal
lobes. So, it's a neurobiological
phenomenon induced by the blessing. The result is you can get in touch with the
indweller because of these changes and you can get in touch with what we call
the Divine or the transpersonal, whatever word you'd like to use. So it takes you to the other
dimension. That is the purpose of
the blessing. The blessing is more like a vehicle which carries you to another
realm. Thereafter you have to deal with the indweller or the transpersonal
realm. The indweller himself or herself is only in the transpersonal realm.
So, to connect to the
transpersonal realm the brain must undergo some changes. So, the deeksha
induces a neurobiological phenomenon by which that happens. The power of the blessing depends on the
one who is giving the blessing, as also the one who is receiving the blessing.
Both are involved in it, and the later connections with the indweller would
depend how much the one who had received the blessing is working upon
himself.
Your role would be to help him
work on himself. That's why you must work as groups. The group must help the other to work on himself or herself.
If you keep working on yourself, then what happens is you get closer and closer
to the indweller. It can become so close that the indweller can become almost
physical. You can possibly even touch the indweller. It can even come out and
you can even touch the indweller. You can go to that extent.
There are
people who have this physical indweller, the indweller coming out and even
chatting with them. It's not a
rare phenomenon. It's quite well
known in India, in many parts, and even some westerners I know. So it depends
on how much you grow and depending on that growth would be your relationship
with the indweller.
Let me see, what's the second part
of that question? "How can it help
the receiver?" Yes, how could you
help the receiver is, you have to form groups and share your lives, share your suffering,
you pain, your joys and the one who is speaking must be allowed to speak, and
the other must not judgmentally listen to him; and the next level, he must
report to the other person what is happening inside him. Suppose the other
person is talking about his fear.
Fear might get triggered in you. Then you have to tell him, "As I've
been listening to you, fear got triggered in me." This is how I see things. There should be a mutual share so
not only the one who is suffering benefits, the one who is listening will
equally benefit. This is the way you have to form groups.
It's very essential that if we are
going to make 2012 happen, we must form groups. It is these groups which are going to bring about the
perceptual shift in the year 2012. Like, for example, what happening in 1989
set a chain of events in world history, like the Berlin wall, the paving away
of communism and what we saw in China and many, many other events. We don't
have time for those things. So, that set a new trend for the planet and we
think it's still going on. We're moving in a new direction after '89.
Similarly, something is going to
happen in 2012 which is going for a new direction for world events
thereafter. To make those events
happen, we have to form groups and we have to become powerful blessing givers and
move into different states, higher states of consciousness. So, this is
basically possible by working on yourself, not individually, individually as
well as a group. That you must do
for yourselves. I will personally here be guiding you. My guiding you is Level
3. So that's the answer to the first question. We move on to the second
question.
QUESTION:Bhagavan,can you tell us about giving blessings for healing? Some of us
feel that we have taken on the sufferings of others. Some blessing givers feel
deep sadness while giving the blessing. How can we maintain our strength and
health so that we can be actively of service to humanity? As we continue to
merge with the Divine will our physical bodies get stronger naturally? Is it
possible to take on the karma of others unintentionally?
BHAGAVAN: Read the question once again?
QUESTION:Bhagavan,can you tell us about giving blessings
for healing? Some of us feel that we have taken on the sufferings of others.
Some blessing givers feel deep sadness while giving the blessing.
BHAGAVAN: Hold there. So, as long as you feel it
is the Divine which is healing, no karma will be transferred to you. But, if
you feel someway that you are involved in the healing, then certainly karma
comes to you. What you must know
is you're merely a vehicle for those Divine energies to flow into you and affect
the person. If you make the mistake of thinking that you are the one who is
healing, that is your energies which are healing, then there is a possibility
of a backlash and that karma might come to you. The other part of the question?
QUESTION:How can we
maintain our strength and health so that we can be actively of service to
humanity? As we continue to merge with the Divine will our physical bodies get
stronger naturally? Is it possible to take on the karma of others unintentionally?
BHAGAVAN: A little bit before.
QUESTION:Some
blessing givers feel deep sadness while giving the blessing.
BHAGAVAN: That is very good. If you feel
that sadness and give the blessing it's going to be very it's going to be very therapeutic. It's
very good and in fact, it's recommended.
[Laughter]
QUESTION: How can we maintain our strength and health so
that we can be actively of service to humanity?
See, as long as you feel it's the Divine
which is doing it, that you are merely lending your body, mind and spirit,
there's no problem at all. It has its own rewards. Because karmically, you help
the person and your good karma bank account goes on increasing. So, you gain by
helping others, you don't lose anything as long as you realize it's the Divine
which is doing and not you. If you think you are doing, your karma account is
going to-the good karma account will go wrong, the bad karma account would
increase. But, as long as you think it's the Divine which is doing, your good
karma account goes up, and you could even cash it for whatever purpose you want
to. So, that's how you've got to do it.
It all depends upon
identification. As long as you don't identify yourself, there is no problem. If
you identify there is a problem. But sometimes, unintentionally things can go
wrong. That's why as a precautionary
measure, at the end of the day, you have got to wash your hands and feet in
salt water. That is the best
precaution you could take.
Continue.
QUESTION: As we continue to merge with the Divine
will our physical bodies get stronger naturally? Is it possible to take on the
karma of others unintentionally?
BHAGAVAN: Yes,
as you keep merging with the Divine your body becomes very strong. In fact, two weeks ago I met an Indian
swami who had met me in 1984, and thereafter many things happened to him. So,
nowadays he gets buried under the earth for about 92 days. Several tests have
been done where he does not breathe, his heart beat is zero, and yet he is
completely alive after 92 days. Now, this person who really happened to be an
allopathic doctor, an ayurvedic doctor and many, many things, now he is over 70
year old. He looks as though he's 35, not a single black hair, no sagging of
muscles and he is over 70. He is worshipped in many Indian temples if idols are
kept and worshipped. This man is completely with the Divine and very soon he is
going to enter into what's called Mahasamadhi, that is he will be buried alive
under a concrete slab and a temple will be built on him. He says he feels he
may be there for a century or so underground and blessing people.
There is also the Samadhi of this
earlier guru, many, many years ago. Even now if you do like this [finger snapping] he'll answer from
inside the Samadhi. So, those of you who come to India we could take you there
and we could even show you this. So, these people who merge so much with the
Divine, it looks like they can even physically go on forever. So, I myself
could not guess this man's age and then I thought he must be thirty-five
because there were his disciples who are looking very old and I thought maybe they
had a young master. Later on I came to know he is that old.
So, it certainly affects your
health and you do in fact become very strong, unless that guru has chosen to
take on somebody's karma. Then, of course, like Ramana Maharishi you may get
cancer. So, it depends how you choose to live. That's the first question I
think.
QUESTION: All, that has played out recently has triggered
judgment, disappointment, even bitterness at the way of the world. I'm aware
that this judgment is coming from my own unresolved pain and this pain is
holding me back from life and freedom and is hardening my heart.
I have sat with my pain and
experienced it shift into joy. I have had beautiful spiritual experiences, but
the pain of old conditioning keeps returning.
Bhagavan, what do you suggest I do
to become more trusting and open to life as it is, and the unknown?
BHAGAVAN: See,
you have to keep on practicing inner integrity until you're going deep inside
yourself and see what is actually there.
If you go deep inside, you will find there is nothing but fear,
essentially fear. There is deceit, there is cunning, there is jealousy and all
that muck. It's all there. You have to confront it, Confront it means not
challenge it, but look at it, and then do not try to change it because it
cannot be changed because these are contents of the mind, and the mind is very,
very old. It's as old as man himself, and that is the structure of the mind,
that cannot be changed. It is the nature of the mind. For example, you could
take sugar, sugar is crystalline. It tastes sweet. Its specific heat is that
much. Its specific variety is that much. You can't do anything about it. You
take salt; it has its own qualities.
So, the human mind has evolved
over millions of years into what it is today. But, the basic structure itself
has not changed very much. Fear is
there, it was there for ancient man, it is there today. Jealousy was there, it
is there. Anger was there, it is
there. Desire was there, it is there. But, the objects have changed. Probably
earlier man had fear for the tiger, or the lion, or some wild beast, or the
fear of hunger.
Today's man has fear of the share
market and what's happening to the economy. Somebody would indeed feel jealously about somebody's spear.
Now, you could feel jealousy about somebody's car. So, essentially the
structure has not changed and it has also genetically been designed that way.
So, fighting to change that would be foolhardy.
So, if there is a problem with
you, like for example you live on a street where there is the mafia, or
something like that. There is no way you could get out of that street and the
mafia will not leave. So, what is the best way to handle the situation?
Could you tell what is the best
way to handle the situation? The mafia will not go and you cannot leave that
place. So, what do you do? The best way would be both to go to the mafia, to
stand up to the mafia. Take guys a
pack of sweets to him, some gifts to him, maybe embrace him and praise
him. Then the mafia would say,
"Ok, you do whatever you want. I won't trouble you." You are now a friend of the mafia.
Something similar must happen here
as you cannot change all these things. Look, it is not you, it is there in you
but you are not that. It will remain so, whether you are enlightened or not, it
will remain so. The only difference is the enlightened man is not playing with
it, he is not trying to change it, he not's feeling bad about it. It just
remains. So, once you see it is there, it is there in everybody because it is
the one mind.
Let us say someone is having a
H1N1 problem. So, it's not your H1N1 or somebody's H1N1. It is H1N1, that's
all. It is swine flu. It's not
your swine flu or his swine flu. You can't have ownership over it. Similarly,
you can't have ownership over your mind and its qualities. It is the human
mind. Of course, if the brain undergoes some change, maybe things will change.
Maybe the future man will be very different. But, as of now, that is operating, genetically programmed,
that is how it will function.
So, there will be a negative side
to you, which you are all the time masking because you can't exhibit it in
public. There are terrible things going on inside because people don't know
what would happen. So, there is this negative side, you've got to accept it and
not say it is bad or good. It is there, that's all. You've got to take a neutral
stand. If you say, ok, it's very good, or something's wrong with it; you could
say it's very bad. That also is
not alright. It is there. You cannot do anything about it. Because then you
realize change is impossible. Now, when change is impossible what do you
do? You just keep quiet and
keeping quiet is the solution.
So, for this to happen, you must
first probe; through probing how do you know what's inside there? So, bravely,
go ahead. The blessing will help you to go inside, see a lot of things which
you've never imagined before. This is what all the great ones have done. Be it a
Buddha, or a Christ. They have done this. They have gone inside. They have seen
what is there and they've said, let it be so. When you say, let it be so. You become free of it. It is
there, but you're free of it.
This you should practice. You'll
see tremendous changes happening to you, most of all conflict will slowly
cease. As conflict ceases, slowly something will happen. You'll begin to feel
connected and then when you begin to feel connected you'll find that thought
subsides, and that which thought cannot touch will start expressing itself.
Because that which will come in cannot be touched by thought because it's not a
concept, it is not a belief, it is not a view. It is not even an experience the
mind always experiences, no. It is something very living. What you call the present.
It's very, very living. That would
kick in. That would come in of its own and that is the benediction we are
talking about.
To get there you have to move step
by step: go inside, discover, accept, love. It's an automatic sequence. It does not require great time,
energy and effort. Only the first phase takes time, energy and effort; and if
you use the blessing is gets quite fast. Thereafter, no time is required, no
energy is required, no effort is required. But suppose there is a snake in the
hall where you are and then all of you are jumping in great fear. Then, suddenly somebody brings a torch
and you discover it's not a snake, it's a rope. Fear has disappeared
instantaneously. It has not taken time, it has not taken energy, it has not
taken effort. You saw and you are free. To see is to be free.
It does not take any of these
things. But, the whole trouble is getting a torchlight, and putting a
torchlight, and seeing what is there. That is the effort that is required on
your part. Once that is done, slowly you'll find something very remarkable
happens. First you feel there is a peace. Then you discover conflict is absent.
Nothing has changed. Your wife is
still nagging you, your husband is still bothering you, your son is disobeying
you, you have problems with your friends. But still, those things have not
changed, but it is no more affecting you.
You simply take them in your stride, and even that is giving you joy.
Little by little you find even the
other is slowly changing and when that happens thought ...thought is the mischief
maker because thought is measurement.
It is all the time measuring things and because it is measuring things,
the beauty is lost. Reality is lost. So, thought subsides and reality comes
into focus. Along with reality
comes something which I would now like to talk about.
You're going to discover it for
yourself. I'll simply call it the benediction. It is there. So, it's like a
sequence, naturally happens, and I hope that all of you can there, latest by
2012 when you could make a big impact on the planet, helping a lot of people.
So, we'll go through all these things at a deeper level in the subsequent Skype
sessions. The third question now.
QUESTION: Bhagavan, is there an opportunity for us to become
trainers, ourselves? How would we do that?
BHAGAVAN: If you want to become a trainer, you should have attended
a Level 1 and Level 2, and send in an application here supported by ten other
trainers. Then you could come to India here, we will train you and initiate you
into initiating others. Thereafter, you could initiate others to becoming
blessing givers. So, all that is required is you have to finish a Level 1 and
Level 2. If you have not done it, you will come and do it in India because we
will no more be doing Level 1 and Level 2 in Italy or in Fiji. If anything is
going to go on there, they are not our courses. So, you could come to India and
it India it has been made quite cheap now. You could come to take a Level 1 and
Level 2 and give in an application supported by ten other trainers. That means you have been recommended
and then we will train you and will also initiate you in order that you could
initiate others. And these trainers are the ones who must build the blessing
givers around them as a group for the final 2012 action. That's the answer for
that question. Anyway left?
QUESTION:
Bhagavan, we are so happy and excited about your plans for the
courses. We are delighted to be
able to see you and speak with you this way. We just want to let you know how
much we love you! Thank you so much!
BHAGAVAN: There will be no more Oneness courses outside
India. Whatever courses will happen only in India. The courses will be
completely free of charge. You will be charged only for board and lodge,
internal transport and laundry. That's all. So, courses are free. I, myself,
will be personally interacting with you. There will be no barriers between you
and me. There will be nobody
standing in between. There will be direct interaction and you'll be trained to
become trainers whereby you'll conduct courses in your own countries, and
initiate people on your own, and then you get ready for 2012.
2012, we are all getting ready for
2012. That's the key thing. So,
there we are going to do our best to affect human perception. Of course, we are
not the only group. Many groups are doing this kind of thing, whatever they
believe is their vision. We'll do whatever is ours. Ours is to stop this
alienation between one human being and another. One human being must feel very close to another. Be it his
wife, a husband, son, or any other stranger, you must feel very close to him, you
must feel connected, at oneness. You start with inner oneness and we'll end
with planetary, and then we'll go beyond to the transpersonal, which is the
Divine. Finally, you must feel
that you are one with the Divine.
You and the Divine are not separate.
The Divine is your own higher self, and you are alienated from that. It's not
something out there into which you have to merge. No, it is there already in
you. You are the Divine, but you feel the sense of separation, and that should
go. So, that's why I'm telling, as
far as we are concerned here in oneness, I am God, you are God, the ant is God,
the elephant is God. God has become all this. The one who is having AIDS is also
God. He is God who is having AIDS. The one who is having H1N1 is God who is
having H1N1. So, when you are
helping him you are help God, and since all are God, you are helping God only.
This would become a living
experience for you, not a theory, not a concept, not a belief. Maybe if you are a strong Christian,
maybe you might abhor the idea of becoming one with God. That's personal. Then you can stop,
becoming one with God. You can halt somewhere, or if you're a Muslim and that
forbids you, then you should not do it.
But, there are others who have no problems. In fact, it's a fact, you will see that you are already that
God.
The whole purpose here is to
separate that illusion. So, the only problem with you is, you have this
illusion and this illusion we want to tear down. Once we tear it down you will discover for yourself as I
said, truth is still untruth as long as it is not your truth. It'll become your truth, that's all
there is to it. You're all going to become God. That is the purpose of this
world. That is the oneness, the
ultimate oneness. We start with inner oneness. We stop the conflict
inside, we start there, and we end up finally becoming God, Himself.
So, we end the session with this.
Next time we will continue. Now, I think we can meditate for a few minutes.
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